Talking Prophecy with Tom Hughes

Part 1

Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus, our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ in Prophecy. My colleague, Nathan Jones, and I have as our special guest today Tom Hughes who is the pastor of a mega-church in San Jacinto, California called 412 Church. He also has a Bible prophecy ministry called, “Hope for Our Times.” Welcome to Christ in Prophecy. Welcome to God’s country here in Texas.

Tom Hughes: Amen. Amen. Great to be here. Hey, good to see you, Nathan.

Nathan Jones: You too. Well, if God’s country is Texas, then what is this San Jacinto place? Where is that? And what does the name mean?

Tom Hughes: San Jacinto comes from–

Nathan Jones: San Jacinto?

Tom Hughes: San Jacinto, yes, so it is in southern California. And there are still conservatives out there. I know it’s hard for most people in the nation to believe that, but there are. There are still people who love Jesus out there.

Nathan Jones: Praise the Lord.

Dr. Reagan: And you’re out in the desert, aren’t you?

Tom Hughes: We are in the desert. We are somewhere between Palm Springs and San Diego, and we are located in a valley that is just west of Palm Springs.

Dr. Reagan: Well, while we are talking about Palm Springs why don’t you just take a moment to tell people about a fantastic Bible prophecy conference that you have scheduled for September of next year of 2019.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, it is actually June of 2019.

Dr. Reagan: Oh, I thought it was September.

Tom Hughes: June, I hope you’re still coming. Both you and Nathan are going to be there. We have other speakers. It is going to be June of 2019. It is in a beautiful resort. The resort is really nice. It is in the Greater Palm Springs area. I’m excited about it. And it is an opportunity to take Bible Prophecy, it is into a secular venue, and being able to hopefully reach all different kinds of people, not just people in churches. And listen, we really need it. We need it in California, this whole nation needs it, and the whole world needs it.

Dr. Reagan: Well, how can people sign up to go to the conference?

Tom Hughes: Hopeforourtimes.com that is the website. And you can right on the front-page it will say events. It also has that particular event people can sign up.

Dr. Reagan: And you have all the detail there about the event?

Tom Hughes: All the details are there. The speakers are there. We have the registration for not just the event, but also for the hotel rooms that are available right there on the website hopeforourtimes.com.

Dr. Reagan: Well, I want to jump into some controversy right now, and that is that you recently stirred up a hornets nest by writing an article that has been widely distributed. It is an article entitled, “Five Reasons Pastors Don’t Teach Bible Prophecy.” And boy, this is just all over the internet. Now, give us five reasons why they don’t.

Tom Hughes: Well, I’ll give you one reason. Well, we will start with one. And I wrote that article awhile back. And I didn’t realize that it was going to keep going, and going, and going, and it does. I’ll be reading somewhere and all of a sudden I see it pop up again.

Dr. Reagan: That is the nature of the internet.

Tom Hughes: Somebody comments on it. Get people blogging about it and the whole bit. But one reason I have in there is because pastors simply don’t understand Bible prophecy. And I talk about that. And the main reason they don’t understand is because they’ve never studied it before.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah, the average seminary doesn’t teach it.

Tom Hughes: They do not teach it. And when you look at Bible prophecy, when I first started teaching it would be many years ago, I remember I was going to teach the book of Revelation for example. And I thought, “You know that is a pretty big book, and it has a lot of imagery in there. How am I going to teach through Revelation?” And I was already teaching Bible prophecy, but more topically. And I thought I’m going to do it. Well, then I prayed and I thought I’ll do it like any other book I teach of the Bible.

Dr. Reagan: There you go.

Tom Hughes: So, pray, get the commentaries. And I get a variety of commentaries, and I just started. So, that was quite some time ago when I did that. But when you realize, you know it is strange about it Dr. Reagan is pastors will say you’ve got to teach every book of the Bible. But they will completely avoid Revelation. They’ll avoid most of the book of Daniel. They’ll avoid the Old Testament.

Dr. Reagan: And they avoid Romans 9-11.

Tom Hughes: They’ll avoid Romans 9-11 because that is very confrontational to those who say that God is done with Israel because Paul specifically says, “Is God done with Israel? No, He is not done with Israel.” You have to avoid part of the book of Acts or make it means something it doesn’t say. And you look at this and go, “Well, wait a minute. Why are pastors not teaching Bible prophecy?” One reason they don’t understand it. Another reason is because they think that there are just nuts that teach Bible prophecy.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, that is well earned.

Dr. Reagan: Well, that I mean sometimes I’m embarrassed to tell people that I am a teacher of Bible prophecy, because I know immediately they are going to categorize me as one of these sensationalists who’s finding the Antichrist under every rock and setting dates for the return of Jesus. Sensationalism.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, sensationalism sells.

Dr. Reagan: Oh, yeah.

Tom Hughes: And in fact one of the reasons why you do this ministry and why I do it now is because of this reason. If there really are people who are teaching false things when it comes to Bible prophecy. Well, how much more is it we need to have teachers that are solid, and proclaiming the truth of Bible prophecy. That is why God rose up teachers anyways was because they needed the truth. Well, why then would you avoid an area that is false, that is taught by false teachers or teachers who just go down the angle of sensationalism?

Dr. Reagan: Okay, so, they don’t understand it. They are wary of it because of the sensationalism. What do you mean when you say they fear offending members of the congregation?

Tom Hughes: Yeah, well, I’m sure you know through Bible prophecy it is pretty easy to offend people. And in one regard it is just fearful. People become afraid when they hear those things. They don’t want to hear those things. Because in Bible prophecy we talk about two main things, one of them is judgment. And people they don’t want to hear about that. They don’t want to hear about the Tribulation. Hey, can’t we just talk about the happy things?

Nathan Jones: God is love, and that is all they want to talk about.

Tom Hughes: God is love, let’s just stick there and all of the good things. And they really go to great extents to avoid the truth.

Dr. Reagan: But Bible prophecy is full of wonderful promises for Believers.

Tom Hughes: It absolutely is. It is full of more hope than anything else.

Dr. Reagan: There you go, right.

Tom Hughes: When you understand Bible prophecy, you go, wait a minute it is not being about fearful. In fact we rightly understanding Bible prophecy helps the Believer to be faithful. And the other thing that Bible prophecy does is it actually is a great evangelistic tool, because people hear these things. And, Nathan you know this, we all know it. As teachers that when you listen to people who are out there in the world who don’t know Jesus Christ, they are afraid of what is going on. They look at our own country you see it is divided. And you see the various things that are going on in this world. You see tragedy that comes. People die. There’s sicknesses. There’s illnesses. People are imprisoned. And you have all these things. And people are afraid that are out there in the world, they want to have answers. And the Bible and Bible prophecy gives people answers. This is not how it is going to end. Jesus is coming back. And man it is going to be glorious. And there is hope and encouragement.

Dr. Reagan: The Apostle Paul wrote, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has the mind of man conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him.” But the next verse says, “But the Spirit has revealed these things.” And you ask a person, “What is your hope?” “Go to Heaven.” “What does that mean?” And yet the Bible tells a whole lot about Heaven.

Tom Hughes: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Reagan: Well, get into in the second half of this program.

Tom Hughes: Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: But okay, so you say first of all pastors don’t understand it. Secondly they fear offending members of the congregation. Third people will be scared. And we hear that all the time. I am afraid to read the book of Revelation. In fact Don Perkins who is a Bible prophecy teacher grew up in southern Louisiana and his preacher used to get up in the pulpit and say, “I will never speak on the book of Revelation because if you study the book of Revelation you’ll go crazy.” This was a pastor from the pulpit. You’ll go crazy if you read the book of Revelation.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, I’ve heard those types of things. I say, no, actually if you read the book of Revelation God promises what? A blessing to all those who read here, and keep the words of this book.

Nathan Jones: Revelation 1:3.

Dr. Reagan: What about this one? You also mentioned fear of looking like the loony-tune fringe. But what about this one? People might not tithe.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, how does that work?

Tom Hughes: You know what I am absolutely convinced that–I’ve talk with pastors they say people are going to get upset in our church and they are going to leave if I start talking about these types of things. And they are worried. But the worry from people who don’t, pastors that don’t teach Bible prophecy is when I start to say these things instead of storing treasure in Heaven, the people are going to respond by going out and buying everything now. They are going to buy new cars, they are going to spend their money there. But that’s messed up.

Dr. Reagan: Oh, yeah.

Nathan Jones: Put it into technical terms.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, there is your theological term, messed up. I read it in the Greek somewhere. So, but you see it and you go no, no, no, rightly taught, and rightly understood it will actually cause people to say, “You know what? Jesus is coming. I want this to be about my best life forward.”

Dr. Reagan: It will motivate them to holiness, and to evangelism.

Tom Hughes: To evangelism. It will make them mission oriented. It will cause them to want to say, “I need to store my treasure in Heaven, not on this earth because all of these things are passing away.”

Dr. Reagan: You see that is the thing that I hear most from pastors is they say, “Well, it is not relevant. David, you are a traveling evangelist. I am a located pastor. I’ve got every problem known to man in my congregation. I got to preach practical sermons that have to do with drug addiction, alcoholism, adultery, this sort of thing.” And I say, “You don’t understand Bible prophecy. It will motivate people to evangelism and to holiness.”

Tom Hughes: Oh, yeah. That is exactly what Peter tells us.

Dr. Reagan: And when you said it was a great evangelistic tool, let me tell you on the Day of Pentecost Peter preached the very first gospel sermon and from beginning to end it was Bible prophecy. The Bible said this; Jesus fulfilled it. The Bible said this; Jesus fulfilled it. Finally they just cried out and said, “What must we do to be saved?”

Tom Hughes: Yeah, amen. Yeah you look at that Bible prophecy the First Coming of Christ. And all of things of ancient Israel that got prophesied through His prophets that came to pass. And then the prophecies of the First Coming of Christ. The prophecies of the Second Coming of Christ. And the prophecies on into the Millennial Kingdom regarding the nation of Israel. And we’ve seen all of these things fulfilled throughout history, every single time God had a prophet speak a word that was for the past, every single time it was fulfilled; 100 percent, never missed. What would make a preacher now think well those things are irrelevant? God is not going to do that.

Nathan Jones: Pastors ought to expect it that it is a great apologetic. I mean you got fulfilled prophecy it proves that the Bible that they are studying is the Word of God. They can trust it and put their faith and foundation in it.

Dr. Reagan: Well, I grew up in an Amillennial church. It is a miracle of God I’m a teacher of Bible prophecy. And in that church the most common sermon I heard was that there is not a verse in the Bible that implies that Jesus will ever put His feet on the earth again. I nearly fainted at the age of 12 when I found Zechariah 14 and it said He was coming back to the Mount of Olives. And then the other thing they always taught, the Bible means exactly what it says from beginning to end, unless it is talking about the Second Coming and then it never means what it says. What?

Tom Hughes: That to me is–I hear that more, and more, and more, from pastors in America.

Dr. Reagan: It is apocalyptic language.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, we don’t talk about that type of thing.

Nathan Jones: Well, as a pastor do you feel that the churches don’t want Jesus to return? I mean there is kind of this idea now this Post-Millennial view that they are going to take over the world, the Church, and then hand it to Jesus. Is there a reticence about having Jesus come back?

Tom Hughes: It is just a strange view to me. Look at the great work we’ve done Jesus, now here is the planet we give you because we’ve perfected it.

Nathan Jones: Exactly.

Tom Hughes: I mean you look and you go, well, it is not exactly going that way. It is going the way the Bible says it is going to go. But I do think one of the big problems within the Church, even after people get saved, after they come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ they are still looking to be comfortable.

Nathan Jones: Yeah.

Tom Hughes: And Bible prophecy confronts that comfort position that people want to take in this world. And a lot of that goes with not understanding Heaven, which we will get into. But you look at that and it upsets, it upsets their position now. It upsets everything they live for now. And I think that is what even bothers them if they are Believers.

Dr. Reagan: Well, folks, we are going to take a brief break right now, and when we come back we are going to shift gears and we are going to start talking about Heaven, because Tom has just put out a video series about that and he working on a book about Heaven. So, stay with us.

Part 2

Nathan Jones: Welcome to Christ in Prophecy and our interview with Pastor Tom Hughes. Well, I want to hear what Dr. Reagan is talking about. You have a DVD series and a book coming out about Heaven. It is one of my favorite topics, I love to preach on it. Tell us a little bit about what is involved in this DVD series.

Tom Hughes: Well, I love it. I recorded it not too long ago, and it was 10 messages I did. It was actually nine on Heaven and one on Hell, because I say you can’t go to Heaven without understanding what Hell is.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah.

Nathan Jones: Absolutely.

Tom Hughes: Because people need that, and that subject is avoided. Actually both of these, Heaven isn’t taught in pulpits, and Hell certainly is not taught in pulpits; Hell or judgment or sin. Those things are all avoided. So, what happened was I just looked at all of the things that I talked about, and you do, and Nathan do with Bible prophecy. And there is a lot of when you talk about the Tribulation period and some of the hard things, it is hard for people to wrap their minds around. There is so much hope when it is rightly understood. But I thought, you know what with all the things that are going on in the world right now, just the different difficulties, pressures, and trials and our country is so divided and everything, I thought you know what I am going to talk about Heaven and what the Bible says. Because a lot of the things that are out there regarding the message of Heaven come from somebody who had a dream, or they made a movie.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, came back from the dead.

Tom Hughes: Or they came back from the dead and they saw this. Well, wait what does the Bible actually say? And so I took that approach. And I likened it to taking a tour to another country. Recently we had a Footsteps of Paul Tour.

Nathan Jones: Oh, wow.

Tom Hughes: Oh, it was terrific we went to Turkey for Ephesus, we went to Greece, we went to Rome. We were on a boat for a few days. And it was–so we went on this tour. Well, before you go on any tour you know, or you go to another country one thing you want to know what the weather is going to be like. How should you dress? You need a good tour guide. You need to set up everything ahead of time. Well, here it is we know that. You will do that just to go from state to state, me coming from California to Texas I want to know what’s the weather is going to be like. And I already know people wear cowboy hats out here, so, that’s good. But I look at that, and anybody does, anybody with any brains at all will look ahead. Well, why don’t we do that with Heaven? Christians say, “Well, I am going to Heaven.” Well, first of all you’d say, “How do you know?” And they go, “Well, uh, because I go to church.” Well, that is the wrong answer.

Dr. Reagan: Well, that is the wrong answer.

Tom Hughes: And the other thing is, well, what is Heaven going to be like? Well, it is just going to be really good. Well, are you going to be sitting on a cloud for all of eternity just playing a harp? Uh.

Nathan Jones: Dull, very dull.

Dr. Reagan: Well, Brother, I grew up in a church that was non-instrumental. And we heard hell fire and brimstone sermons about how you were going to go straight to Hell if you ever played a musical instrument in a worship service, and you deserved to go it you did so. All Baptist piano players were going straight to Hell. And yet, they would get up and preach that we were going to spend eternity floating around on a cloud playing a harp. And I thought, “How does that make any sense?” I was only 12 years old and I would say, “How does that make any sense.”

Nathan Jones: Well, how does a ghost play a harp anyway? Wouldn’t our hands go through the strings?

Dr. Reagan: But there is this ethereal concept of Heaven, it is going to be spiritual. A lot of people think we are going to be angels.

Tom Hughes: Yeah. Yeah, I deal with that in the series too. I am really looking forward to when the book comes out. And you know, but I wanted people to not just be able to make sense of it, but to understand it’s real. Is Heaven a real place with an actual location?

Nathan Jones: Yeah, can you give us a little insight then? If it is not an ethereal place where we are playing harps, then what is our afterlife going to be like?

Tom Hughes: Well, I can’t imagine that the Lord is going to be some disembodied spirits just floating around.

Nathan Jones: So, we will have bodies.

Tom Hughes: We are going to have bodies. We know the Rapture is going to take place, 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, “The dead in Christ will rise, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.” And there is going to be a new body that is going to be given to us. I can’t wait for that.

Dr. Reagan: I can’t either. I’m tired of aching joints.

Tom Hughes: I’m tired of aching joints. I want to be able to eat what I eat without gaining weight.

Nathan Jones: Amen.

Tom Hughes: Isn’t that going to be great? I can eat donuts in Heaven. If there are donuts then they are going to be really good.

Nathan Jones: Of course there are going to be donuts in Heaven.

Tom Hughes: I think there is going to be–

Dr. Reagan: I was groaning about my joints one day and my wife said, “Honey, at our age if it don’t hurt, it don’t work.”

Tom Hughes: That is funny.

Nathan Jones: So, do you think we will all look like we are in our 20’s or 30’s?

Tom Hughes: You know I will look better than I do now. But let me go back to the location. So, Jesus said in John chapter 14 verses 1-6, that, “Where, I am going to go and prepare a place for you, and where I am going I will bring You to Myself. That where I am, there you will be with me also.” So, where, and there both imply a physical place that Jesus has prepared for us. Someplace where we are going to go. And you look at it like this, this is just so bazaar to me. People can’t, Christians cannot imagine such a beautiful place that He is taking us to. And I would say, “Well, do you think that Jesus is in Heaven, and He is looking down at a house in Beverly Hills and He is thinking, ‘That place is beautiful. Why didn’t I think of that?'” I mean, that is just, it is kind of nuts.

Nathan Jones: What I love about that passage is that if Jesus is talking about building a place for us to live with Him forever, the New Jerusalem which I think you are referring to, is that He is still working on it. If He created everything in six days, what is this New Jerusalem going to be like?

Tom Hughes: I’m excited. The Millennial Kingdom coming first, and then the New Jerusalem the New Heaven, and the New Earth, it is just wow. And what will our bodies be like? This is me. But I look at it I think God created us, we have different races. We have different styles of music we like. We have different foods. That is on this planet that has been cursed because of sin. And you start looking at it in Heaven we are not all going to look the same. I am convinced we are not all going to look the same. I am convinced we are going to look very similar to how we look now. I’ll look a lot like Tom does in Heaven. But I will look better.

Nathan Jones: So, we’ll recognize. Because we get that question all the times in the ministry people write in a say, “Well, my wife just passed away, and when I get up to Heaven will she recognize me?”

Dr. Reagan: Well, of course she will.

Tom Hughes: Could you imagine not recognizing?

Dr. Reagan: Look if I’m David here, and I’m not David in Heaven then David wasn’t saved.

Tom Hughes: That is a good one. That is great.

Nathan Jones: Wow, that is good.

Tom Hughes: That is fantastic. But you look at it with different nationalities people think well everybody is going to be a particular–

Nathan Jones: We will all be one race?

Tom Hughes: One race. Well, I don’t see that.

Nathan Jones: The angels aren’t even one race.

Tom Hughes: I don’t see that. I also don’t believe we are going to be getting wings when we die either. Which I think that comes from a movie. What is that movie?

Nathan Jones: Oh, “It’s a Wonderful Life.”

Tom Hughes: The bell rings, right?

Nathan Jones: If you hear a bell ring, an angel gets its wings. So, we are not going to become angels because we get that question a lot too.

Tom Hughes: We are not going to become angels.

Nathan Jones: Because they are their own thing.

Dr. Reagan: You know what was the greatest jolt to me in my study when I found out about Heaven? The greatest thing that jolted me, I mean really jolted me was when I got into the book of Revelation and I suddenly decided I’m going to take it to mean what it says, and it says Heaven is going to be on a new earth, and God is going to come down to that earth and live in our presence. I thought, “What?” I thought it was going to be in the clouds.

Tom Hughes: Yeah. Yeah, you have the picture of the man playing the harp, or a little cherub playing the harp or whatever. So, we have the Millennial Kingdom first and then the New Heaven, and the New Earth, and the New Jerusalem descending.

Dr. Reagan: Yes.

Tom Hughes: And you look at this, and you go wow. So, in the immediate we’re going up, but then we have this new kingdom coming down.

Dr. Reagan: And it says God will come down to live among us.

Tom Hughes: And God is going to live among us, and He will dwell with His people. He will wipe away every tear from their eye. No more sickness.

Dr. Reagan: And we will see His face.

Tom Hughes: And we will see His face. We are going to see the Lord.

Nathan Jones: He is the Throne Room, right? I mean the Throne Room is like the center of the temple. It provides the light for the New Jerusalem; the radiance of God lights the city.

Tom Hughes: Amen. There are so many things there when you start looking at it. We have the book of Hebrews describes Heaven as the city. But also we have in the New Heaven and the New Earth the city is paved with streets of gold, it is so pure it is like transparent glass. So, you start thinking well, what do cities have? And the Bible is also described as a country. Well, our when you start looking at it and you think okay we have this is manmade cities. Image what Heaven is going to be like. Imagine what the country is going to–so to speak is going to be like in Heaven. And everything we have here is so limited by our imaginations but the problem is this is a comfortable place. People want to make it comfortable. The best humans can imagine on earth is maybe a place like Maui or Fiji or something like that. But to even to the Devil himself Maui is cursed. The Devil doesn’t want to live there forever and ever. He would rather stay in Heaven even though that ain’t going to happen, we know that. So, you look, he didn’t want to be kicked out of Heaven and be sent down to earth, that was quite a fall.

Dr. Reagan: When you talk about how great it’s going to be it reminds me of one particular verse, my wife is in her eighth year of dementia and I go every evening to feed her, and to read to her. And I’m not sure she understands anymore, but I read Scripture because I know it is supernatural and will minister to her whether she understands it or not. But I always leave her with one verse Romans 8:18, “The sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared to the glory that is yet to be revealed to us.” Tom that is a mouthful. You minister to people dying miserably of cancer and all kinds of things. It says nothing, none of the sufferings can even be compared to the glory.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, it is incredible. Just recently there was a young lady from our congregation, she was 15 years old, killed in a car accident. You look at that, and you go how can a family be ministered to? And you know when you start looking at those verses and you look at Heaven. This is what I know will we recognize each other in Heaven? Absolutely we will. And moms and dads are going to be reunited with their children, and children with parents. And you look at that and you go I need that. People need that. And it’s not some false imagination that has been created. This is what God’s Word say. So, if we take God’s Word, man, there is so much hope, and there is so much encouragement. And there’s no more hospitals. There’s no funeral homes. There are no psychiatric wards. There are none of these things. And you look and go.

Dr. Reagan: No aging.

Tom Hughes: No aging. And getting back to the donuts.

Nathan Jones: Donuts, we got donuts.

Tom Hughes: The food is going to be spectacular.

Dr. Reagan: You know I believe that even women who have miscarriages will have an opportunity to see those children. I wouldn’t even be surprised if God doesn’t give them the blessing of letting them raise those children to a certain age, whatever that is going to be.

Tom Hughes: It would be remarkable. Here is a questions I get a lot. Will fluffy be in Heaven? Right?

Dr. Reagan: Number one question.

Tom Hughes: Isn’t that funny. This is what I know, is God created the animal kingdom. In Heaven there are animals.

Nathan Jones: There are animals.

Tom Hughes: Will fluffy be in Heaven? Listen I’m not going down that path.

Nathan Jones: Oh, yeah, we are going to get a lot of hate mail. You should just stop right now.

Tom Hughes: But I do know this. There are going to be animals in Heaven. If God created these things on earth. If God wants your fluffy to be Heaven, your fluffy will be there.

Dr. Reagan: I wouldn’t be surprised if that is not one of the blessings He gives us. We don’t know that for sure.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, you look at that and you go, wow. There are people who desperately need their animals while they are here on earth.

Dr. Reagan: Oh, yes.

Tom Hughes: They are lonely and whatever. But you look at the animal kingdom God created here, it is remarkable. Imagine what it is going to be like in Heaven. I think man, it is exciting.

Nathan Jones: It is.

Dr. Reagan: Tom, we are coming to the end of the program. We’ve been very blessed to have you. And I pray that the Lord will greatly bless the distribution of your videos and books. How about looking into that camera right in front of you and tell people how to get in touch with you and your ministry.

Tom Hughes: You can get in touch with me through hopeforourtimes.com. Just go there: hopeforourtimes.com. Go to the contact us section and send us an e-mail. I’ll answer it, Pastor Craig will answer it. We would love to hear from you.

Dr. Reagan: And you are available for speaking engagements at churches concerning Bible prophecy, right?

Tom Hughes: Yes, I am. I am available for speaking on Bible prophecy, even speaking on Heaven too.

Dr. Reagan: Well, then we want you to do that for sure. Well, folks that is our program for this week. I hope it has been a blessing to you, and I hope Lord willing you will be back with us next week. Until then this is Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries saying, “Look up, be watchful, for our redemption is drawing near.”

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