Koenig on US-Israel Relations

Will the United States move its embassy to Jerusalem? Find out with guest Bill Koenig on the show Christ in Prophecy.

Air Date: May 21, 2017

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Dr. Reagan: After eight years of the stormiest relationship with Israel in our history, do better days lie ahead? Is the Middle East on the verge of war? Will the Trump Administration trash the deal that Obama made with Iran? Will ISIS attack Israel? And will we ever move our embassy to Jerusalem? For a discussion of these issues with a White House Correspondent, stay tuned.

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Part 1

Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ in Prophecy. My colleague, Nathan Jones, and I have a very special guest in the studio with us today. He is Bill Koenig who has been a White House Correspondent for the past 16 years. He is president of a news website called World Watch Daily, and he publishes a weekly report called, Koenig’s Eye View from the White House. He is also the author of a brand new book titled, Revealed the subtitle is, Obama’s Legacy. Bill, welcome to Christ in Prophecy.

Bill Koenig: Thank you, Dave.

Dr. Reagan: Glad to have you.

Nathan Jones: So good to have you on Bill.

Bill Koenig: Good to see you Nathan, thank you.

Nathan Jones: Well let’s jump into this chapter, you have chapter 3, “Israel’s Existence in Danger and Middle East Chaos.” OK, Obama is out of the presidency now but how did he leave the relations between Israel and the United States?

Bill Koenig: Well, it was a contemptuous relationship.

Nathan Jones: Contemptuous.

Bill Koenig: A lot of pressure early on. When Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State she had this idea let’s just putting, just squeezing Israel immediately on settlement construction. So it started things off on the wrong track. And then just right after he took office in January 2009 Obama went to the Turkish Parliament. And then went to Cairo, Egypt on June 4th, 2009 and spoke to the Muslim world. Talked about how great Islam was and the importance of Islam and the relationship here in the United States. And then just one thing after another. Pressure on Israel when John Kerry became Secretary of State. Not being treated very well. No, formal press conference with the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu.

Nathan Jones: He made him come through the kitchen, didn’t he?

Bill Koenig: At one time, they just kind of had him come through the kitchen, kind of unannounced, and then he left and went up and had dinner with his family.

Nathan Jones: Treated him like dirt.

Bill Koenig: Basically, yeah, he didn’t treat him very well. So, obviously Netanyahu is very happy about the new administration.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, I’d imagine. They treated him with full honors, right?

Bill Koenig: Totally, yeah. You know press conference right after the first visit to the White House. Press conference I was there for it and it was fantastic. And the spirit was very good. But what happened is how has he left the Middle East?

Nathan Jones: Yes.

Bill Koenig: Iran Nuke deal, Dave, we’ve talked about a lot is a horrible deal. It makes the Middle East more dangerous. And it definitely makes things more dangerous for the State of Israel.

Dr. Reagan: Do we still know what all is in that deal because I know a lot of it was secret?

Bill Koenig: You know there were some side deals to help get it through.

Nathan Jones: Shipping bullion.

Bill Koenig: You know money that went over on jets, cash. At the time a hostage release. And also the short range missile capability. I mean they are firing missiles right now that is a violation of UN Resolution and this agreement, on and on. Just before I came on the program I noticed Iran is right now working on ICBM’s that could put Europe and the United States at risk.

Dr. Reagan: If a Republican president had done that and shipped billions, of millions of dollars over they would have crucified him. Crucified him.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely. Absolutely. And the good thing Dave we know this, a Republican administration would never have cut that kind of deal with Iran.

Dr. Reagan: Well that’s true.

Nathan Jones: No.

Bill Koenig: We had Iran up against the ropes. I have a good friend in Israel Mordechai Kedar who’s a 27 year student of the Middle East for the Israeli Defense Force in the intelligence area. And he said that Iran was up against the ropes, using a boxing term, and we let him off the hook. And horrible deal. Iran is now in charge of the Iraqi military. They’ve increased their strength in Syria. They’re moving weapons of mass destruction, or potential mass destruction into Syria. Attempting to get weapons to Hezbollah. And have been empowered completely by the Iran deal.

Dr. Reagan: When if ever is Israel going to do something about this?

Bill Koenig: Well, you know they were very close to doing it when Obama was in office. Matter of fact October 2008 right before the election you know Pentagon leaks, Secretary of State Clinton said, “Don’t do it.” Panetta was even telling the world that he’d be surprised if Israel didn’t hit Iran between April and June of 2008. Which is absolutely inexcusable.

Nathan Jones: Wow, leaked it.

Bill Koenig: Yeah, leaked it.

Nathan Jones: Well, you had mentioned in your book that you thought that Israel would be forced eventually to do a pre-emptive strike, right?

Bill Koenig: Yeah, they will eventually.

Nathan Jones: They’ll be no choice.

Bill Koenig: What’s interesting, and what happened is they have been put in a position where every Sunni country right now, the short range missile capability of every Sunni country, or excuse me the short range missile capability of Iran puts every Sunni country that borders the Persian Gulf at risk. This is a very dangerous time.

Dr. Reagan: So are you saying that if Israel hits Iran that Saudi Arabia going to sigh with relief?

Nathan Jones: Now that is ironic.

Bill Koenig: Well here is the good news that came from Obama wanting to get out of the Middle East, and the Iran Deal is the Sunni’s are working with Israel. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, the United Arab Emirates in Jordan have been working in conjunction with Israel because they know Israel will not put up with Iran, and they couldn’t trust Obama and his administration. And now the good news is the Trump Administration has the best, most realistic, pragmatic security team in history now operating.

Nathan Jones: Praise the Lord.

Bill Koenig: Mattis, McMaster, Pompeo with the CIA, they have people that fully understand the number one threat to Israel, to the United States, to the International community is the state of Iran. So we are going to see some–

Dr. Reagan: And they are not afraid to say Islamic terrorism.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely. Huge, huge.

Nathan Jones: Well you sound optimistic then that our relations with Israel are going to improve under a Trump presidency.

Bill Koenig: Oh, without a doubt.

Nathan Jones: Without a doubt.

Bill Koenig: They’ve already started to improve significantly. And I think also, the Sunni countries are so excited about the Trump Administration Security Team because they already have a good working relationship with Mattis, with McMaster, with other generals. They know these guys are warriors. We had the warrior mentality taken out of the Pentagon during Obama’s time in office. The warrior mentality is back in charge of the Pentagon, of our national security, which is a key to our national defense as well as our good friend Israel.

Nathan Jones: Praise the Lord.

Dr. Reagan: Well, sooner or later we are going to have to let the world know that we mean that.

Bill Koenig: Yes.

Dr. Reagan: I mean when you’ve got Iran threatening every day to attack Israel. And when you’ve got the crazy guy in North Korea shooting off missiles off. Sooner or later we’ve got to do something that convinces them that we really mean it.

Bill Koenig: Well it is going to happen. Well what is interesting is General Mattis, the Secretary of Defense, his first trip was over to South Korea and Japan.

Dr. Reagan: Yes, very first one.

Nathan Jones: Oh, interesting.

Bill Koenig: And he said that we’re here to defend our allies. It was a message to North Korea, and to China. And that we think this China usurping these islands that is Japanese territory we’re going to defend them. And the next trip was to NATO, and to meet with the NATO leaders saying that we are committed to NATO, everybody needs to pay their fair share.

Dr. Reagan: But they need to pay their own way.

Bill Koenig: Exactly. But it was a great meeting. Mattis is incredibly popular. He even got approved 98 to 1 in the Senate.

Nathan Jones: Wow.

Bill Koenig: Which gives you an idea.

Dr. Reagan: Even though he is called Mad Dog?

Bill Koenig: Even though because, and he said– the media gave him that name, he doesn’t fully appreciate it, but the guy’s a warrior. And he’s also an intellect, he’s read probably 5,000 or 6,000 books he understands history. McMasters is an out of the box thinker. These are very positive things. Pompeo great Christian congressman that is now head of the CIA, was probably the most outspoken member of Congress about the bad Iran Deal. And he’s already been over in the Middle East. Good things are happening.

Dr. Reagan: Well, every President in recent years has come in saying, “I’m going to solve the Middle East crisis.” And he sends all of his people over there, and then it doesn’t happen and he gets irritated with Israel because Israel doesn’t give enough.

Bill Koenig: Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: Now is this going to happen to Trump?

Bill Koenig: No. It won’t be the same. I mean John Kerry had the attitude. John Kerry was so egotistical he believed that the only reason there hadn’t been peace the last 20 years is because he hadn’t been working on it.

Dr. Reagan: Oh, ok.

Bill Koenig: He thought he could handle it himself. He didn’t even listen to the people of experience. And John Kerry comes up with a bunch of plans that basically had already failed before. It was almost like John Kerry had been on another planet for the last 10 years.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah.

Bill Koenig: And came in and said, “Let me try. Try this boss.” But seldom do you see the left and the right in Israel agree on anything. But they agreed that Kerry made the situation much worse than it was. And it was a disastrous even through the UN Resolution 2334, and some final things that they did. But you know I think one good thing, number one I am convinced that Trump wants to move the Embassy to Jerusalem.

Dr. Reagan: OK.

Nathan Jones: Fantastic.

Bill Koenig: He is very pragmatic. And he’s well aware of the fact that you keep the two state plan on the table, that’s not a good move, take it off the table. Just like a real estate, if you’re working on a real estate deal and you keep giving, and giving, and giving, and they don’t counter take it off the table. Which was interesting is right after he had his meeting with Netanyahu at the White House he said, “Two State, one State, whatever they want to do.”

Dr. Reagan: Yeah, what they want to do.

Bill Koenig: So all of the sudden the UN, and the EU, and the G20, everybody went nuts.

Nathan Jones: Having heart attacks.

Bill Koenig: And Ambassador Haley said, “No, no, he still believes in two state, but he is going to do some out of the box thinking.” And then Tillerson, Secretary of State Tillerson was at the G20 meeting he said, “No, no, he still favors two state.” Well then the following week Trump said, “I do favor two state, but it is up to them to what they want to do.”

Nathan Jones: As it should be, as it should be.

Bill Koenig: Which is the way it should be.

Dr. Reagan: Absolutely, who are we to tell them what to do?

Bill Koenig: The way I look at it is this is very smart strategic deal where Arafat and Abbas virtually had almost everything they wanted and two state has been on the table for ever. So if they don’t accept it, take it off the table. Very smart move.

Dr. Reagan: The bottom line though is that they don’t really want two states, they want the annihilation of Israel.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely. You go into the Palestinian Peace Center there in Bethlehem.

Dr. Reagan: Peace Center.

Bill Koenig: Yeah, Peace Center, that makes it–and they continue to call it Middle East Peace. You know the whole point, now give me a break this is not about Middle East peace. Even the Arab League just a couple days ago said, “Big mistake if the United States moves their embassy to Jerusalem.” Who are you to determine where the United States puts their embassy? And the United States wants to put the embassy in the capital of Israel, which is Jerusalem. So, anyhow, Dave this is exciting days.

Part 2

Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and our interview with White House Correspondent Bill Koenig.

Dr. Reagan: Bill, right before the break you mentioned about moving the embassy to Jerusalem. I want to go back to that for a moment. It seems like just about every president we’ve had in recent years including the Bushes said they were going to move the embassy to Jerusalem. And then as soon as they were elected they just back off and seem to forget about it. What is the problem here? Why is there so much reluctance? Is it a fear of Islamic terrorism? I’ve even heard recently that some have speculated that the Israeli’s don’t even want us to move the embassy.

Bill Koenig: Well, number one is terror. I mean in 1995 when that resolution was put in place, Feinstein and at that time her aid Dan Shapiro who ended up being Obama’s ambassador to Israel put that stipulation in that it is up to the President every six months, if necessary, to determine if now is a good time to move the embassy. And every time they don’t because of fear of outrage in the Middle East among Muslim countries.

Dr. Reagan: Well, there is no doubt some of our embassies would be attacked.

Bill Koenig: Very likely.

Dr. Reagan: But should that fear guide our policy?

Bill Koenig: No, and I think what is developing right now is a coalition of US, Israel, and Sunni countries.

Dr. Reagan: OK.

Bill Koenig: You know Israel has been working closely with the Sunni countries out of their fear over Iran. And Saudi Arabia always has the attitude that Israel will be hit first with a nuke, we’re second. When in reality the Saudi’s probably would be hit first. Israel would defend themselves and be prepared to defend themselves. So, I think that a US-Israel coalition with Sunni Countries in the works.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah, explain this though for our viewers, Iran is a Shiite country.

Bill Koenig: Shiite, which is about 20% of Islam.

Dr. Reagan: Right. And all the rest are Sunnis.

Bill Koenig: Sunnis.

Dr. Reagan: And so they’re–and they don’t like each other.

Nathan Jones: Civil War.

Bill Koenig: And all the countries they have a horrible dislike for each other.

Dr. Reagan: Yes.

Bill Koenig: And what’s interesting is the Iranians are very smart. I was talking to an Iraqi, he said that the Sunnis, Iraqi’s are checker players; the Iranian’s are chest players. They are very smart. They are very strategic. They are very patient. And that’s what–

Dr. Reagan: Well they sure took us to the cleaners in the deal we made with them.

Bill Koenig: Ah, they saw how desperate Obama and Kerry were to do a deal, as well as the other members of the P5+1 the other European countries. And they just out negotiated them. Plus I have an Iranian friend in DC that says, “You know these guys go to school and get their Masters and PhD’s in negotiations.”

Dr. Reagan: Yeah.

Bill Koenig: And they are masters at frustrating you. And once they do agree to an agreement they never fulfill the agreement.

Nathan Jones: Well speaking of the agreement do you think President Trump is going to kill the Iran deal?

Bill Koenig: What he is going to do, and that is a good question, Nathan, is they are going to hold them accountable for the deal.

Nathan Jones: For the deal, OK.

Bill Koenig: General Mattis said this during his testimony for Secretary of Defense that we are going to watch Iran very closely and hold them accountable, and if they screw up then that’s it.

Nathan Jones: What do we do? We sink their ships? Bomb their facilities? Economic?

Bill Koenig: Oh, I don’t know what is happening right now, but something with these missile shots lately, and this possibility of ISIS being able to hit Europe and the United States. There are some serious concern about this. I mean every Sunni country right now is at risk, because the short range missile capability of Iran has increased dramatically over the last five years. So all of those oil producing countries that produce 25% of the daily oil that the world consumes are at risk.

Dr. Reagan: Well now let’s go back just a moment to the movement of the embassy because you were about to make a point, and got interrupted there. You said something about the situation has changed?

Bill Koenig: I think they might. I think Dave what they might do is in this US commitment to this coalition, security coalition they might say, “We want to move the embassy to Jerusalem, also.”

Dr. Reagan: OK.

Bill Koenig: Other nations?

Bill Koenig: I don’t know how they’ll work that in there but they’ll try to water it down a bit where it’s not such a big deal, even though the Arab League just said, you know, “No way, this would be the worst possible thing. This would have an effect on world peace.” Give me a break. You guys can’t even get along yourself. I heard General Jones a couple years ago talked about the importance of Israel making a deal with the PA. And I said, “General Jones, 74% of the PA
is Hamas.” And I said, “Give me an example of a country in the Middle East that knows peace. And you call this Middle East peace? This isn’t Middle East peace, this is a joke.” This is the problem Dave, the Arab League says, “Don’t move the embassy to Jerusalem. And if you don’t then this could lead to world problems, this would lead to the worst possible time.” Give me a break.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, it’s a threat.

Dr. Reagan: Well, I think the bottom line in the Middle East is, and I really believe this with all my heart, the bottom line is we want–the Arab world wants the annihilation of Israel. They don’t want a two state situation. They’ve already got two states, Jordan is a Palestinian State.

Bill Koenig: Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: The majority of the people there are Palestinians. They already have a Palestinian State.

Bill Koenig: They do.

Dr. Reagan: And they said, “Well we want Gaza, give us Gaza and they’ll be peace.” They pulled out of Gaza and what happens? It immediately becomes a missile launching pad. Same thing is going to happen in the West Bank if they pull out of there.

Bill Koenig: Well exactly. That is exactly what Netanyahu said before the disengagement of Gaza is we’re going to have missiles raining down onto the cities. And that’s exactly what happened.

Dr. Reagan: And the hypocrisy of the world on this is just beyond belief. When you consider the fact that Israel has a million and a half Arabs living within Israel who have full citizenship rights: they vote in the elections, they are in the parliament, they get welfare, they get medical care, everything. A lot better than in the Arab countries. And yet, no Jew can live in an Arab country.

Bill Koenig: Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Reagan: No Jew can live in an Arab country.

Bill Koenig: Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: And they’re saying, well these settlements are terrible because if we ever have two states then they’ll be Jews in the Arab state.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely.

Dr. Reagan: Well, come on.

Bill Koenig: Yeah, absolutely. And plus you know the importance of those mountains to Judea and Samaria, and the Golan Heights. I remember some of the leftist journalists in Israel that were infuriated with Netanyahu for not making a peace deal with Assad and giving up the Golan Heights.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah.

Bill Koenig: Can you imagine?

Dr. Reagan: Yeah five, six years ago. You imagine what it would be like today?

Nathan Jones: Constant missiles raining across the Sea of Galilee.

Bill Koenig: It would be a disaster. Israel would probably not exist today.

Dr. Reagan: I was on a flight one time when a guy next to me started lecturing me about–when he found out I was a supporter of Israel, about how horrible the Israeli’s were and how they were mistreating the Palestinians, and how they needed to give back the West Bank. And I sensed he’d didn’t know what he was talking about. So I said, “Where is the West Bank?” He said, “Well you know where the West Bank is.” I said, “Yes, I do, but do you?” I said, “You said, they ought to give it back. Now where is the West Bank? Tell me where the West Bank is.” He said, “Well, you know the west bank of the Nile River.”

Nathan Jones: The Nile?

Dr. Reagan: This guy. I mean it is very easy to pontificate about this.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely.

Dr. Reagan: I said, “Do you realize that if Israel gave that back Israel would be only nine miles wide in its narrowest point? There is no way it could ever defend itself.” Well he didn’t know any of that.

Bill Koenig: Yeah, absolutely. And that’s the problem many times people who defend the Palestinians don’t know anything of any significance. They don’t know it?

Nathan Jones: Do you believe that ISIS is on the ropes, or do you think they pose a threat to Israel?

Bill Koenig: ISIS will continue to be a threat. I think that they are, thanks to the Kurds.

Dr. Reagan: Yes.

Bill Koenig: The Kurds are amazing people, and amazing fighters. And if it wasn’t for the Kurds ISIS would still be strong and getting stronger. ISIS is always a threat because of lone ranger events, like what we saw here in the US, or what we saw in Paris, and Nice and other places. ISIS will take their, they will move off the battlefield and into public sectors. And that is the big problem with ISIS you never fully defeat Islam. And I think radical Islam, I think that is why Israel over the years has done a good job, they have an attitude, we can’t defeat them, but we have to manage them. And when you say you are going to defeat ISIS and defeat Al-Qaeda, or defeat the Taliban it’s not going to happen. But you can defend yourself against them by security, by keeping them in specific areas. Unfortunately right now the Taliban has moved back into a position of influence in Afghanistan.

Nathan Jones: They took a town, right?

Bill Koenig: Yeah, oh, in Afghanistan as they were prior to 9/11. Same thing with ISIS. ISIS has really been hit hard. And but how about this Iran, the United States are fighting side-by-side in Iraq to defeat ISIS? And Iran is calling the shots in the military. I have a friend that’s father was a general before Saddam Hussein took over, who now lives in the US. Said that she was there interviewing the director of the Iraqi military. And he said that he takes his orders from Soleimani who is the head of the Al-Quds, force out of Iran.

Nathan Jones: Interesting.

Bill Koenig: So, this is what is challenging about Iraq right now. And the fact that we put 3 trillion dollars plus in the Middle East, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan, is how do we move Iran’s influence out of Iraq? Or how do we move that influence away from Syria? And that is why we have to do something with Iran soon because it’s only going to get worse.

Part 3

Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and our interview with White House correspondent Bill Koenig. Bill, can you tell folks how they can get in touch with you and your ministry?

Bill Koenig: Well, thank you. Thank you, Nathan I appreciate it. Our website is watch.org that is W-A-T-C-H.org. And we post news 365 days out of the year, on world news that is biblical relevant. And also put out a weekly news report “Koenig’s Eye View from the White House,” it goes out every Friday.

Nathan Jones: Excellent.

Dr. Reagan: Bill before we sign off, there is one crucial question I’ve got to ask you: Israel is one of the smallest countries in the world about the size of New Jersey, only about 300 miles long, about 75 miles wide, it is a country that has a very small population of 6 ½ million Jews, and maybe 1 ½ Arabs, it’s surrounded by 350 million Arabs who want it destroyed, is there any hope for Israel?

Bill Koenig: Well, Dave as we know there is hope because the God of Israel will protect them, defend them.

Dr. Reagan: He neither slumbers nor sleeps.

Bill Koenig: Neither slumbers nor sleep.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, great verse.

Bill Koenig: And as watchman, as we all are, we keep informing people of what is happening, biblically. This is the most exciting time of biblical history. It is playing out right before our eyes. You know I used to speak, you know, 15-20 years ago, as you can relate to we might have 2 or 3 final day events in play at the same time. Today we have everything in play. And it has accelerated in a breathtaking pace. And the time clock is Jerusalem. And every nation in the world wants to divide the city of Jerusalem. And virtually almost every nation in the world wants to give Judea and Samaria to a future Arab state.

Dr. Reagan: And all of that is fulfillment of prophecy because in Zechariah it says in the end times the whole world will come against Israel over the issue over Jerusalem.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely. Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone.

Dr. Reagan: We are seeing Bible prophecy fulfilled.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely.

Dr. Reagan: And you know you look back on history and the Babylonians tried to destroy Israel. The Medes and the Persians tried, the Romans tried. All of them are in the dustbin of history, and here is this tiny little state.

Bill Koenig: It’s the focus of the world. It is amazing when someone throws a rock at someone in Israel, or with the Palestinians its front page news all around the world. If there is a suicide event it is front page. If there is a peace event, or if Israel starts building homes in Judea and Samaria, front page throughout the world. Every major leader–

Nathan Jones: Proof there’s a God.

Bill Koenig: Proof that this tiny, little country, the size of New Jersey, is as biblically significant to the God of Israel as ever before.

Dr. Reagan: That was really impressed upon me the other day when I was reading some book, I can’t even remember what it was now, and the fella said, “You know just stop and think for a moment, what if a prophet had gone to Pharaoh and said, ‘Pharaoh in the end times the most important nation in the world is not going to be Egypt. It’s going to be that little group of slaves you’ve got out there working for you.”

Bill Koenig: Absolutely. Their country.

Dr. Reagan: Their country, yeah.

Bill Koenig: And that’s what’s happening. It is so exciting. You know we’ve been watching this for a long time. But it is so exciting. I mean it helps keep things in a healthy perspective.

Dr. Reagan: You just mentioned something that is so important and that is that a couple of years ago I wrote a book on the signs of the times called, Living on Borrowed Time. And I got 22 Bible prophecy experts to answer some questions for me. What is the most important sign that we are living in the season of the Lord’s return? Well of course they mentioned Israel being the cornerstone of end time Bible prophecy because that’s the focus.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely.

Dr. Reagan: But they said really there is something more important than that, and that is that for the first time in all of history we see convergence; all the signs coming together for the first time. It indicates we are living on borrowed time.

Bill Koenig: Absolutely, that is exactly what is happening convergence. And also this year 2017 we have some historical patterns converging in 2017 and 2018. 2017 this is the 50th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem.

Dr. Reagan: That’s right.

Bill Koenig: Next year is the 70th anniversary of Israel becoming a state. In the heavenlies, the signs in the skies and the heavens are aligning. It is an amazing time. And we are so blessed because we are a small percentage of people that attend church, or even understand the biblical significance of the times we are living. We are such a small minority that fully understands Dave, that from Genesis to Revelation that is the Word of God. And it is awesome to watch this play out.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah, the real tragedy, and I wouldn’t want to get you started on this because there would be no end to it, but the real tragedy is that the vast majority of Christians both Catholic and Protestant are attending churches that teach Replacement Theology, that God’s washed His hands of the Jews, has no purpose left for them.

Bill Koenig: Exactly. Exactly.

Dr. Reagan: How can you believe that when He’s regathering them from the four corners of the earth?

Bill Koenig: Exactly. And they’re the ones that are standing with the international community calling on Israel. These are Protestant and Catholic churches, and the Catholic Bishops calling on Israel to leave the occupied land, or to leave the Palestinian land.

Dr. Reagan: I knew you’d get started. Well our time is up. Bill we thank you so much for being with us, you’ve been a real blessing.

Bill Koenig: Thank you, Dave. Always a pleasure.

Dr. Reagan: Folks, that is our program for this week I hope it’s been a blessing to you, and I hope you’ll be back with us again next week the Lord willing. Until then this Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries saying, “Look up, be watchful, for our redemption is drawing near.”

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