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Nathan Jones: You've probably been following in the news all the excited talk about Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), also called Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs). Recently, former military intelligence officer-turned-whistleblower, David Grusch, appeared before the House Oversight Committee's National Security Subcommittee claiming the Executive branch agencies have been withholding real spacecraft and alien remains for decades.
And, earlier this year, the Biden and Trudeau administrations were both shooting suspected UFOs out of the sky: one blown up off the coast of South Carolina, another one up in Alaska, a third in the Yukon, and a fourth one in Michigan. Biden actually shot a sidewinder missile at the first UFO! It was hovering way up in the stratosphere some 60,000 feet up. The wreckage later confirmed it was, in reality, a Chinese spy balloon. The other three UFOs were discovered to be much smaller man-made devices that had been traveling lower some 20,000 feet up. Air Force officers, such as General Glenn VanHerck of NORAD, who when asked if UFOs were real, went on record as saying: "I'm not gonna categorize them as balloons. We're calling them 'objects' for a reason."
So, Tim, as a retired Air Force Colonel, can you or any of your connections confirm that we have been shooting actual UFOs out of the sky, or possess alien remains?
Tim Moore: People often ask if Lamb & Lion Ministries would tackle the subject of UFOs as it relates to Bible prophecy, and now here we are.
Well, I'll say this, if we don't know what something is, it is unidentified. If it's in the air, then it's flying. And, if its size is substantial, then it's an object. So there you go — there are UFOs! But, are they extraterrestrial? I highly doubt it.
As an Air Force Colonel, I know there are technologies out there that would blow most people's minds if they knew about them. Even when I was briefed on the top secret programs back in the early nineties, I was amazed at what could happen then. I would tell people that once the tech was at last declassified somewhere in the 2020-30s, people would exclaim, "Wow! We can do that?" The answer is, "No, we could actually do that 30 years ago!" So, there are some phenomenal technologies out there that are just coming to light.
We're certainly getting mixed messages from the White House. The current White House press secretary has indicated the administration was not wanting to talk about extraterrestrials and aliens, but then we've got the general of NORAD and NORTHCOM speculating, as you mentioned. The government seems hesitant to leave out the possibility of extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Let's just recognize this. There's a great curiosity among all people as to what is by definition unexplained objects appearing above our heads. We often just don't know what they are, so they're unexplained.
UFOs in the Bible?
Nathan Jones: The big question on many Christian's minds nowadays is, "Did God create life beyond the Earth?" Some people will point to 2 Kings 2:11 when Elijah was taken up to Heaven in a fiery chariot and claim that's an ancient person's description of a UFO. And, later, in 2 Kings 6:17, when Elisha was given the ability to see the chariot, he was really seeing a UFO. Or, with Zechariah 5:2 and the vision of the flying scroll, they'll conclude that the flying scroll must be a form of spacecraft. They'll also point to Ezekiel 1:1-10 where Ezekiel witnesses the throne of God, which sits on wheels within wheels, and then claim that God is floating around on a flying saucer.
Personally, I think that's taking Scripture to the extreme. Sure, ancient people were trying to explain what they were seeing. And, now we've got modern-day people trying to explain what we still don't understand. Frankly, I don't believe these are aliens at all but instead are addressing the spiritual realm. I don't believe that God has created life outside of this world because He created mankind alone in His image and He alone died for the sins of mankind.
So, then, let's address how the spirit world is perceived. Jesus revealed in Matthew 12:43 how, "when an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none." The Bible also addresses spirits of the air that dwell high up in the sky, that these spirits are bodiless, and that they float around looking for bodies to inhabit. We can conclude then from the Bible that there is indeed a spiritual dimension all around us that we mere mortals just cannot see.
So, when it comes to UFOs, are we talking about little green men say from the planet Mars? No, it doesn't seem so. But, what we are most likely experiencing is demonic in nature. And so, as pilots get higher and higher up into the stratosphere, which is really high up, possibly we are encountering these beings of the air.
Could it be that with our modern sensing equipment, coupled with our ability to travel higher into the sky, which we've only been able to do for a hundred or so years, that we could actually be encountering angelic or demonic spirits?
Tim Moore: From a technical perspective, I don't think so. According to 2 Kings 6:8-23, when it came to Elisha and his servant, the servant had to be given a special dispensation to see spiritually what Elisha had been seeing all the time. The servant saw the physical threat of the Syrian army in front of him, but when the Lord opened his eyes, he beheld the angelic armies arrayed around the city of Dothan. So, sometimes the Lord does give us the ability to see what is normally unseen.
Satan is always trying to deceive, so UFOs could well be demonic apparitions. But, to be honest, even though I don't know what these objects are exactly, I figure that there's probably a logical explanation. Many of our secret hi-tech devices are being utilized by our government, not to mention enemy and foreign governments. To protect our secret hi-tech from being stolen, our government would naturally not be transparent about them or risk espionage.
Distraction and Deception
Tim Moore: Now, our government would shoot down something just to distract us from what really is taking place that it doesn't want attention drawn to.
Nathan Jones: Certainly, every time a president gets in trouble, they lob a missile and cry out, "Look over here!" And, right now, President Biden has a lot of shady reasons to distract the American public.
I find it interesting what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:12, "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." This verse isn't denoting spirits in Heaven, but in the heavens, meaning the sky. From this verse we learn that the demonic world, though unseen to us, can exist in the sky as well as dwell in the high places, meaning the mountains.
Since these disembodied spirits dwell in the air, whether they're manifesting themselves as unidentified flying objects that can be seen or we now possess just the right modern technology to see them, their purpose seems to be for distraction. Why the distraction then? It's part of the end-time deception that Satan is using to deceive the world. He's long been planning on ruling and reigning the world through the Antichrist and so needs to create a crisis. All this UFO talk very well could be preparing the world for the Antichrist to come and as a deception for the Church's disappearance in the Rapture.
Tim Moore: Agreed! This goes right back to Matthew 24, when Jesus said we will be hearing not only of wars and rumors of wars, but of all sorts of other fearful events happening, which will make the world fearful. In Matthew 24:24, for instance, Jesus revealed, "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." Sadly, there are many of the "elect" right now who are all worked up over the threat of UFOs. Even with all of this drama that we are witnessing, remember what Jesus said in John 14:1, "Let not your heart be troubled." Satan is going to try to deceive and distract to lead people astray from their Savior. Our Enemy misleads so that people do not focus on Jesus Christ. So, Christians, don't be distracted! Keep your focus on Jesus Christ.
Nathan Jones: Absolutely! Remember what the destiny of demons is as Jesus told us in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". All of the wickedness and evil in this world will eventually be dealt with by Jesus Christ. When He returns, evil will be sent to Hell. And, for those who are in Christ — who have accepted Jesus as Savior — we will rule and reign with Him forever.
These unidentified flying objects will eventually be identified. And, this crazy age in human history will come to an end. But, right now, let us keep our focus on Jesus Christ and the Bible so that we will not be deceived.
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