How can we have a heavenly perspective in this fallen world in light of Psalm 2? Find out with hosts Tim Moore, Nathan Jones, and Dave Bowen on the television program, Christ in Prophecy!
Air Date: April 5, 2025
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Tim Moore: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy in our new Inquiring Minds Series. We believe when it comes to God’s prophetic Word, many of you have inquiring minds and do want to know. Today we’re blessed to be joined by our teaching evangelist, Dave Bowen. And throughout this series, we are diving into a particular topic or question that is addressed in God’s prophetic Word.
Nathan Jones: We know that some things are simply too marvelous for us to comprehend. As Deuteronomy 29:29 says, “The secret things belong to the Lord our God.”
Dave Bowen: But that same verse goes on to say that the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever. There’s so much more that God has revealed about the past, the present, and the future. But the deep things of God can only be discerned by actually studying His Word and relying on the Holy Spirit to illuminate what He has already revealed.
Tim Moore: So today we’re going to turn our attention to a powerful Psalm that explains so much about what is happening in the world today, and what lies ahead for all the nations that come against the Lord and His anointed. I’m speaking, of course, of Psalm 2. So how about it, guys? What is it about this psalm that resonates down through the ages, and obviously has such relevance for us today?
Part 1
Nathan Jones: Well, we’ve got to remember that Psalm 2 is the first of what’s called the Messianic Psalms, or the psalms that, whereas David is speaking in first person, he’s really speaking for God and for Jesus Christ. So we’re seeing the Son of God in there. They’re also called the Royal Psalms. So they deal with kingship and authority. You can find Chapter 18, 20 and 21, 45, 72, and a bunch of others are royal and official. They are direct messages from God.
Tim Moore: Okay.
Dave Bowen: I think it really applies to today, too. I think a lot of people wonder, why are things so crazy? Why are things happening today? And the psalm opens up with, “Why do the nations conspire and the people plot in vain?
Tim Moore: Yes, or as my translation says, “Why are the nations in uproar?” And boy, I tell you what, looking around right now, Dave, it seems like the nations, and so many people groups indeed are in an uproar. There’s much upheaval in our world.
Dave Bowen: And it’s been that way since the Tower of Babel. We have been rebelling against God from the beginning. So you look around and say, “Why?” Well, it’s been this way from the very, very beginning. Nothing has changed.
Nathan Jones: And some translations say nations as Gentiles. So it’s a reference to, hey, you know, God’s people are being spoken through during this Davidic time period. But it’s really a reference so that the Gentile nations are in continual rebellion against God. This is historically a thousand years before Jesus born, so Pre-Church Age. So the Lord is addressing the entire world, the gentile world.
Tim Moore: So you’ve addressed Verse 1, it says, “The nations are in uproar, they’re in upheaval.” The peoples are devising a vain thing. The next question is, why? Why are they doing that? And I think Verses 2 and 3 address why they’re doing it. It’s not just some kind of upheaval of a secular nature. There’s really a spiritual dynamic, and there’s even more to it. So what does Verse 2 and 3 reveal to us?
Nathan Jones: “The kings of the earth set themselves up, and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against His Anointed.” Or the Messiah, saying… “Let us break their bonds and pieces and cast away their cords from us.”
Tim Moore: Okay, so, even today, all the things we see are not just some kind of manipulation of nations. There’s an underlying spiritual dynamic to people rebelling against the Lord. Just like in the Tower of Babel days.
Dave Bowen: Correct.
Nathan Jones: And Dave, you write about this all the time when you deal with the World Economic Forum and the United Nations and all, which is a modern rendition of what you said, that ancient Babylonian culture. Everything they seem to do is about elevating man and lowering God.
Dave Bowen: It’s important, too, to see there’s two perspectives here, too. We have one, what we’re talking about here is on Earth, the Earth perspective and how kings do it. But then we get to Heaven, and how God sees all this, too. In the next verse we move there, we’ll see how God responds to it. But we have to look at the world and the culture and what’s happening as we identify with Scripture, what’s happening through the Earth, and what’s happening through the Heaven perspective. There has to be two perspectives to this.
Tim Moore: So how does a Christian have both an earthly domain where we live and breathe and have our being right now, and yet already be a citizen of Heaven to where we have a heavenly perspective, even as we look at the world around us? How do we have that balance?
Dave Bowen: Yeah, I think that becomes a choice. Am I going to choose to see it through my eyes and human eyes? And get concerned and worried and everything else? Or am I going to trust God and really say, “Okay, how does God see this? How does God want me to respond to this?” Again, having that heavenly perspective. We have to choose how we’re going to… Psalm, any other part of the Bible, we have to choose how we’re going to interpret it and…
Tim Moore: So is that an act of my will? That I can will myself to have a heavenly perspective? Or does it go back to a degree to what you said earlier, that dirty five letter word Nathan and I talk about, to where I have to actually study? I have to read the Word of God to gain the perspective of God?
Dave Bowen: I think it’s more of a choice. It really is a choice. And a lot of people, I’m sorry, but we get very casual about our relationship with Christ. We get very casual about sin. In fact, many churches don’t even use the word sin anymore. “We made a mistake. Well, that was poor judgment.” Well, if I make a mistake…
Nathan Jones: Bad decision.
Dave Bowen: Yeah. If I do that, I correct myself. I don’t repent. But sin requires repentance. So we get very casual, I think, about our relationship. And that’s part of studying. I don’t need to study. There’s enough online, I can listen to all the preachers, I can listen to the ones I like, the ones who tell me what I want to hear, and I don’t need to study, and we become, I won’t say lazy, but we become very casual about it.
Nathan Jones: Well, you bring up an excellent point, because it’s a matter of condition. And when we get to the very end, the Lord’s going to tell us how to do that. But when they cast away the cords from us, in other words, a rebellion against God. And I thought who really brought that down to me was Randy Alcorn, in his book Edge of Eternity.
And he’s talking about a bunch of travelers traveling over a mountain pass. And there’s guardrails up this steep, slippery, treacherous pass. And they’re upset that they keep bumping into the guardrails, and they keep chafing them. And so furious, they smash the guardrails down and throw them off. And they’re like, “Yes! We are free of these fetters!”
Tim Moore: Free at last.
Nathan Jones: And then they slip and they all fall off the mountain and die. And that’s what the Lord is saying. The Lord has given us His moral guidelines, His Word, to guide and protect us. But the nations are always fighting against that immorality. I think that we recently saw the March for Life, where the people were marching for the life of the unborn baby. But then you saw the march for pro-choice. And it was nothing more than, “We need to cast aside.” They were yelling it. “You know, we need to get rid of these moral guidelines so we can do what we want.” But they’re there for a purpose, to keep us protected.
Tim Moore: That’s a great point. And not just Randy Alcorn, but obviously Pilgrim’s Progress, the classic Christian book.
Nathan Jones: Which is what it’s based on.
Tim Moore: Exactly. Shows how we can get sucked into the mentality of the world, even the anxieties of this world, if we have a worldly perspective. And the only way to get a heavenly perspective is to read God’s own letter to those who are His, to reveal His thoughts, His revelation.
Nathan Jones: Right.
Tim Moore: So that we have that eternal perspective.
Dave Bowen: And if we don’t do that, the Bible is very clear in saying, if we go opposite of that, it’s in vain. What do we accomplish? What do the nations accomplish by rebelling against God? If you look at it through history, through present day, the nations, the leadership, have accomplished nothing by going against God. That led the people into chaos. They lead the people… They try to control them by fear. If I can do something to create chaos, and it brings fear to you then I can control you, but ultimately, what’s it lead to?
Tim Moore: Well, your first example was the Tower of Babel.
Dave Bowen: Correct.
Tim Moore: This hearkens back to, where’s that tower today? Where are the Babylonians today? They are cast aside because God looked down and said, “No, no, no, that’s not in accordance with My will.” So that brings us to Verse 4.
Nathan Jones: And this is like…
Tim Moore: What’s the response?
Nathan Jones: Such a key verse.
Tim Moore: It is a beautiful verse.
Nathan Jones: You going to read that, too?
Tim Moore: Yeah, sure. So in Verse 4, the psalmist says, “He who sits in the heavens laughs. The Lord scoffs at them.” Now we have to stop here for just a minute. God’s sitting on His throne laughing. What is this really talking about, Dave?
Dave Bowen: Well, He looks out and says… You know, people come to me and say, “Well, I want to do this, this, and this, and I think God’s leading me this way.” And you know, it’s not from God. It’s what they want themselves. And all I say is, “Well, let me know how that works out.” You know, I’m not going to try to rebuke them, or give them that kind of direction. They know better. You know? I like to ask people, four words. And I do this with university students. Why? “Does it honor God?”
Nathan Jones: Mm.
Tim Moore: Ooh.
Dave Bowen: Does it…
Tim Moore: I thought God wanted me to be happy.
Dave Bowen: Yeah. Well, does it honor God?
Tim Moore: If all my goal is for me to be happy, then oftentimes what I would seek for my happiness would not honor God. And that is a lie from the pit of hell that we should just pursue what makes us happy.
Dave Bowen: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: And it tied into what you said, the perspectives, the two perspectives here. So as humans, we look at what’s going on in the world, and it makes us cringe and scared for their future. We look at all these great powers, we call it the deep state, or you know, whatever, is all working behind the scenes to overthrow God, to create, if we could say transhumanism, whatever, to become immoral. Mankind wants to become immortal and become God. They’re already immortal.
Tim Moore: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: And so from a human perspective, it’s scary, because a lot of power and money is behind this. And yet what is human strength and power compared to God of the universe?
Dave Bowen: Right.
Nathan Jones: You know? And to an immortal God who lives forever, and against a finite man, the fact that He laughs, it shows the power and the level, and as Christians then, if we know that God’s laughing at them, we shouldn’t be so scared of where the world’s going.
Tim Moore: So some will be put off by this word “laughs”. Well, why is God laughing? Is this a funny thing that He is taking humor at? And I think that’s a misunderstanding of even the word laughter in this case. God isn’t laughing because this is funny.
Dave Bowen: Right.
Tim Moore: He’s not laughing because it’s tickled His funny bone or something. He is scoffing. He is almost ridiculing the foolishness, the vanity, the vain thing that is being done to thwart His will, to rebel against Him, because He will all come of naught. Just as that tower of Babel was built up and built up, and God said, “No, no, no, you’re not going to thwart my will.” And so He changed the languages and people were indeed dispersed as He had commanded. And even today, all the vain things that are being erected against Him will come to naught.
Dave Bowen: Right. Well, again, the laughter is part of His holiness. Him being holy. Because what He’s asking us to do, what He’s commanding us to do, what He’s expecting us to do, is to be holy like Him, and to follow His commandments. And when we don’t do that, He kind of takes that seat back and says, “Okay, I’ve told you. Go do what you want to do and let me know how that works out.”
And the nations, they will stumble and they will fall, but unfortunately they will take people with them. When the leadership goes that way, unfortunately, there’s people that go with them. And I think that hurts God. I don’t think God laughs about that. I don’t think He mocks that. But He does say, “There’s nothing you can do. Why are you going to be so foolish in doing this?”
Tim Moore: You know, there’s some people who would think, again, back to this happiness theme, “Well, if I’m not doing what I want, then I won’t be happy.” And really, we were created to glorify God, and only in a right relationship with God can we be fulfilled to our ultimate potential that He created us to be. And so, it’s not a thwarting of our own joy.
Dave Bowen: Right.
Tim Moore: But it’s actually a fulfillment of that which we are created to have joy in.
Dave Bowen: But…
Tim Moore: To honor God.
Dave Bowen: What is happiness?
Tim Moore: Yeah, well, it’s a fleeting thing.
Dave Bowen: See, I’m happy if I get the, the latest technology. I’m very happy until the next latest comes out. So happiness is something that’s manmade, which again, is the earth perspective here. Contentment is something coming from Heaven.
Nathan Jones: And perspective, too. God’s got a plan. He’s got a plan, He says, “What I have planned, that’s what I’m going to do.” So the fact that humanity has a plan… What did they always say? “If man plans, God laughs.” You know, all these plans to overthrow God and set ourselves up as gods, God’s laughing because He’s got a plan that’s unalterable, and it’s got an end, and it doesn’t include these people.
Tim Moore: So speaking of His plan, we go on to Verse 5 and 6, when the Lord says, revealing through the psalmist, “Then He will speak to them in His anger, and terrify them in His fury saying, But as for me, I have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.” So we see a messianic promise of God. This isn’t just the King David or some other Jewish king. This is the king, His son, and that’s born out in Verse 7. “I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord, He said to me, “You are my son, today I have begotten you.” And so this is essentially a personification foreshadowing Jesus Christ being that son, and the Lord’s begetting.
Nathan Jones: And many theologians believe that decree is actually the Davidic covenant, which you can read in 2 Samuel 7:14, where God through the line of David would install His Messiah to rule the world. So, of course God laughs. We were talking about God’s plan. God’s plan is that His Messiah will rule the world in His Millennial Kingdom, and on into the eternal state. And has nothing to do with the plans of humanity.
Tim Moore: No, it doesn’t.
Dave Bowen: I think it’s important to know, everything in the Old Testament points forward to Christ. It points forward to Jesus. But I think it’s important, too, that, I think it would be remiss if we did not mention that word “begotten.” What does that word really mean? I think people have a misinterpretation.
Tim Moore: Give us a deep dive on that, Dave.
Dave Bowen: Well, when you say begotten, what they mean, the same nature. It’s not Jesus was birthed; He’s not a created being. So some people look at that and say, “Well, begotten means wasn’t He created?”
Tim Moore: “He came about 2000 years ago.”
Dave Bowen: Yeah, yeah. No, no. It means that Him and the Father are the same nature. They’re one. It’s a relationship. So it comes down to understanding the whole understanding of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Nathan Jones: Salvation, too. Because John 3:16 says, “My only begotten son.”
Dave Bowen: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: So I don’t know if we want to dive deep into the Trinity here or not, but you know, was Jesus a created being? Well, absolutely not. He’s an eternal being. So how could He then be begotten? And I think some translations get it that, the word begotten also means coronation. In other words, I’ve installed my son to be king. He’s the begotten, the coronated one.
Tim Moore: I think there’s so much that we could really pull out of this single passage, let alone a single verse and word. And so Dave, I’m going to tell our viewers, we oftentimes have more information than we can reveal to you in a single episode of Christ in Prophecy. And so we would encourage you to visit our website at christinprophecy.org and see more about what is available.
And we also have Deep Dives. That’s why I keep using that phrase with Dave Bowen, our Teaching Evangelist, sharing what is sometimes more than we can bring out in a single episode. So throughout this Inquiring Mind Series, oftentimes you’re going to find more information even on the conversation we’re having, with articles and blog entries diving deeper into what we are bringing out today.
Nathan Jones: And you got some resources, too on Psalm 2, right?
Tim Moore: We certainly do. So here at Lamb & Lion Ministries, not only our website, which is tremendous, we have an Insight magazine, which is a shorter version than our full Lamplighter magazine, talking about the message of Psalm 2. And those who want a complete sight and sound, we also have a wonderful DVD, a teaching by David Reagan.
So these are going to be available to you today, tied to this show. They’re always available on our website as well. But if you want to know more about what it means for Jesus Christ to be the begotten of God, the Father, then go take a Deep Dive with teaching evangelist Dave Bowen. All right, so what does that bring us in terms of this messianic promise that is foreshadowed right here in Psalm 2?
Nathan Jones: We pick up with Verse 8. “Ask of me and I will give you the nations for your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for your possession.” So here’s a promise to Davidic king Jesus Christ, that the human gentile world isn’t going to inherit the Earth. God is going to inherit the Earth. His son Jesus will be the king. And we the saints, in other words, those who are saved, are promised to rule and reign under him. His children are the ones who are going to inherit the Earth, not the corrupt, fallen governments of humanity.
Dave Bowen: And that’s a great explanation, because it goes back to why was He laughing.
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Dave Bowen: Because He was laughing at, this is how it’s going to be. And to think you can change this or make it another way… That’s a great explanation.
Nathan Jones: And isn’t that encouraging, guys? I mean, when you think about it… You know, again, we watch the news. Day after day, every election year. You know, everyone’s in a panic. And we look at what’s the nonsense coming out of the World Economic Forum. And it just seems like, you know, we’re going to lose. And we know the Tribulation time period, the antichrist will rule the world for seven years. But in the end, it’s a blip on the map compared to the eternal plan that God has. And I believe that’s meant to give us hope.
Tim Moore: You know, that’s a great point. Because sometimes our human nature is somewhat cyclical. People call it biorhythm. I have up days, I have down days, sometimes tied to what I ate the night before, right? On how well I slept. Whatever. And we see even in election cycles, sometimes our favorite candidates win, sometimes they lose. Sometimes we seem a little put down and anxious, other times we’re riding the crest. Right now, we seem to have a spiritual awakening. We’ll talk about that in another conversation at another time.
But if I’m following the trends in the world, I’ll be up and down, happy or sad, anxious or at peace. And that is going back to an earthly perspective. But when I study the Word of God, and I see the promises of God that are being fulfilled all around us, it gives me a confidence that transcends all the troubles of this world. And we can see, just as you said, even in Verse 9, that God promises His Son, “You shall break them.” Who? The nations. “With a rod of iron, you shall shatter them like earthenware.”
Dave Bowen: Again, that goes back to us being too casual about our time in our study with God. Because you have to see the big picture. And we want to get kind of focused on just one verse, or one thing, or one aspect, or one part of life. And God has always given us the big picture to understand that. That there is an end, that there is a plan, that He is in control. And anybody who tries to come after Him or change those plans, He’s going to sit back and laugh at that.
Nathan Jones: And you know, what’s interesting for the time period, because again, this is 1000 BC. It was known that Pharaoh, when he was going to bring judgment upon a city, he would bring out a jar and have the label of the city on it. And he would take his scepter of rulership, and he would smash it. And that’s the way he said, “Okay, you go to Lachish, you go to Shechem, and you destroy it.” And he would smash that. And the people of the time period, because you know we lose something from the culture and the tradition.
But the Lord is saying the same thing. When Jesus rules with the rod of iron, we’re assuming that He’s, you know, going to be real strict, and He’s going to hold everybody. And it’s going to be like a prison during the Millennial Kingdom. But that’s not the case at all. What He is saying is He’s going to use His scepter, His position of authority, to destroy the gentile fallen failed governments of this era.
Dave Bowen: And that continues over into the Millennium as well, right. When you talk about Him ruling, it will be forever, not just for a seat.
Nathan Jones: Yeah. I mean, once He’s the King, He’s the King…
Dave Bowen: Correct.
Nathan Jones: It’s a lifetime job, and He’s eternal.
Dave Bowen: Correct.
Tim Moore: So we talked earlier about how actually obeying the Lord and following His will, for my life individually, let alone the nations, leads me into true joy.
Dave Bowen: Right.
Tim Moore: Into true fulfillment of my being. You know, I love what James has to say. This is in James Chapter 1:25. It says, “The one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer, but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.” You know, you talk about guardrails, Nathan. “Oh, I don’t want to stay in the guardrails.” Well, if you want to be thriving, not only in this life but for eternity, and fulfilled in what God created you to become, then following His law leads into that kind of joy.
And yet, for those who do not, the Lord has a word of warning, here in Verse 9. Or excuse me, Verse 10. “Now therefore, O kings, show discernment and take warning, O judges of the earth.” The Lord is revealing this not just to certify what He plans to do, but to give warning even to those who are rebelling against.
Nathan Jones: Yeah. He’s laying down a challenge to these earthly fallen kings. He says, “Hey, this is the proper path to go.”
Dave Bowen: But going back again to the Old Testament, He told the kings… It was kings of Israel. You know, Israel was not to have a king. But when they did get a king, the king was a what? To write out the words. Write out the words. So when he had to make a decision, you know what decisions to make, because you wanted to have the right perspective. And you used a key word there. You used the word “joy.”
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Dave Bowen: I think we get lost in that word as well. I think joy is, you know, I’m excited and everything else. If you have a medical condition, if you have a broken relationship, if you have financial problems, you say, “How can I have joy in this?” Well still, we can never have our joy stolen from us if we understand the right perspective. Because joy is, it’s a knowledge. It’s knowing God’s in control no matter what. I can handle my health, I can handle my finances, I can handle the relationships, all in chaos, if I know and I trust and I believe and I live, that God is in control no matter what. So that’s a key word to use as well.
Tim Moore: It certainly is.
Nathan Jones: I like to think of joy as peace through the storms. You know, it doesn’t mean a happiness. Some people misinterpret it.
Dave Bowen: Right.
Nathan Jones: Or “Inside Out”, with the little people in your head. You know, it’s a constant enthusiasm. It’s peace through the storms, knowing that the King is in charge, and the King is making the right decisions.
Dave Bowen: No matter what.
Tim Moore: So here’s what is warned to these kings who are supposed to show discernment and be warned judges of the Earth. And that is Verse 11, “Worship the Lord with reverence and rejoice with trembling.” So here’s my question. Is this whole psalm directed at the kings and at the judges? What is the application to me? I’m not a king, I’m not a judge. Or is this something that really applies to everyone?
Dave Bowen: I think it applies to everyone. Now, why? Because you have the word “trembling”, you have the word “fear.” And again, I think people don’t understand what this really means. If I have the fear of the Lord, if I have the fear of Tim, I’m not going to run away from you, I’m going to respect you. And that fear becomes an aspect of respecting somebody. So to have the fear of the Lord… I mean, I don’t know about you. My greatest fear, people, “Are you afraid of anything?” I’m really not except I’m afraid of one thing, Letting the Lord down.
Tim Moore: Mm.
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Dave Bowen: I never want to disappoint God.
Nathan Jones: Or the Lord’s discipline. I mean, you sit there and you think, and it means submission or exaltation. In other words, give the Lord His due as King. But when you don’t, judgment comes. And you know, God of the Universe, who could create a universe and destroy it, is a fearful thing. But it’s a reverent thing. I don’t worry that the Lord’s going to smite me, so to speak. But for these people who aren’t following the King, they should worry.
Tim Moore: All right, so some people have heard the phrase, “Give the devil his due.” But you just said give the Lord His due. So what is the Lord due? Is He due 10%? How much is He due of me? And the answer is, all.
Nathan Jones: Yeah. I mean, He died on the cross for our sins. We are bought by His blood. 100% of Him.
Tim Moore: There is nothing that is, “Well, this is Tim’s portion, and this is the Lord’s portion.”
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Tim Moore: Rightfully understood. It’s not just a tithe, even to my finances, my income. Everything about me, everything I have, all the relationships, are to the glory and honor of God. All is due to Him. And so we don’t carve out a portion.
Dave Bowen: Right. I walk away reading a psalm like this saying, you know what? I have to understand that God owes me nothing. And if we live like God owes us something… “Why did this happen? Why did that happen? Lord…” He owes us nothing. And again, that’s having that trembling, that’s having that respect, that’s having that honor for Him. It’s having that perspective of Heaven, not of Earth.
Nathan Jones: You just made me remember an old Bible school professor when he would say, “No, you deserve Hell!” And he’d always say that. “Well, Lord, don’t I deserve?” “No, you deserve Hell!” And that really put it in perspective.
Dave Bowen: Yeah.
Tim Moore: Because we do. But what we get is Heaven. And therein lies the Gospel. That’s the good news. The good news is Christ was crucified, He was buried, He died, and yet He was resurrected. That is the Gospel. Wait, what does that have to do with me? Because He died in my place. He got what I was due. And that brings us to the last verse. “Do homage to the Son that he not become angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in him.” Now we know His wrath will soon be kindled, because He’s going to pour out His wrath.
We’ll be talking about Revelation in weeks to come. We do often in this context. But we also know that the Gospel is that everyone who takes refuge in Jesus Christ at the foot of the cross is blessed. Not just here now, but throughout all eternity. There is the Gospel right here in Psalm.
Nathan Jones: And the New King James uses a very intimate expression. “Kiss the son.” In other words… And it doesn’t matter whether you go up and kiss Jesus. Oh, I think we will, at least look forward to giving Him a manly hug. You know, but it’s embrace or worship, or make Him your all in all. That’s what He’s calling us to do.
Dave Bowen: Yeah. Yeah. You brought that up. And it’s a different subject for a different time. But in the garden when He was betrayed, and He got the kiss from Judas.
Nathan Jones: Yes.
Dave Bowen: I like to ask the question, “What do you think hurt the Lord more? The nails on the cross or the kiss in the garden?” Because the kiss should be respect, it should be honor. And to be disrespectful to the Lord, I mean, that’s got to hurt more than the nails on the cross.
Nathan Jones: And that’s why it was better if Judas, Jesus said, was never born.
Dave Bowen: Yeah. That’s a lesson to learn.
Tim Moore: Here’s a question, fellas. We’re reading a psalm that was written about 3000 years ago, plus or minus. Obviously it’s pointing to a messiah that was born 2000 years ago in human time, but who pre-existed because He’s always existed with God the Father. So is this a propleptic psalm? Or proleptic I should say, not propleptic. Proleptic. In other words, it is telling as history what is to take place? Or is this a prophecy that still awaits ultimate fulfillment?
Nathan Jones: I would say it’s really more of an exhortation. I mean, if it’s proleptic, then it’s got to be written, it’s got to be a future prophecy written in past tense. And so we’d have to go through here and say, “Okay, how many of these verbs are past tense?” But really what He is doing is He’s telling the nations, “Get right with Me if you want to be part of My Kingdom, because that’s the plan that’s going to happen. Not what you’re planning, my planning. Show me the proper response, the proper fear as the God of the Universe, and your ways will go well. If not, then My wrath will be upon you, and you’ll become nothing.”
Tim Moore: Okay.
Dave Bowen: And to make it very simple, it comes down to all about relationship. It’s all about the relationship with the Lord.
Nathan Jones: Yes.
Dave Bowen: Now, I lay before you life and death, blessings and cursing’s, but He says, “Choose life.” So you have the blessings here, you have the opportunity. You can receive that and rejoice in the blessing, or you can reject that, as these nations and kings wanted to, and have the wrath of God. It’s all about the relationships.
Tim Moore: It’s all about the relationship. And frankly, it’s not just the relationship of kings and judges with the Lord God, it comes down to each of us as individuals.
Dave Bowen: Yes.
Tim Moore: What is my relationship with the Lord? Not my parents, my grandparents. Me.
Dave Bowen: Yes.
Tim Moore: And so, do I love the Lord? Am I already doing homage to the Son? Because He will become angry. And as John 3:36 says, “I either have been blessed by him through that relationship, or the wrath of God abides on me.”
Closing
Tim Moore: Well, there you have it. A complete Gospel presentation in a single psalm.
Nathan Jones: This single chapter should dispel the myth that God will never judge sin or punish evil. His wrath will soon be kindled against those who’ve rebelled against Him.
Dave Bowen: But the promise of God also ensures that all who embrace the Son, God the Father’s only begotten Anointed One, will be blessed. They are saved from the wrath of God and promised life everlasting.
Tim Moore: Do not be swept up into the rebellion that is rising around the world. Satan is rallying his forces and deceiving billions. He is stirring the nations into an uproar and manipulating them to devise a vain thing. But you can take warning and show discernment. Worship the Lord, and rejoice at the God of your salvation, Jesus Christ. Come to know Him and know the blessing of being His. Grace, mercy, love, and life everlasting. That is our prayer for you today. Godspeed!
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