The Coming Millennial Kingdom with Nathan Jones

Tim Moore: I can’t wait. I can’t wait till Jesus is reigning.

Nathan Jones: Oh, me too.

Tim Moore: I can’t wait till he takes us off the earth. And yet you have people who will scoff that no, He’s never going to reign and it’s not really going to be a thousand years. So where do we get this concept specifically of a thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ?

Nathan Jones: We have to go to Revelation 20, where six times it says a thousand years, a thousand years, a thousand years. I get into the different viewpoints at the end of the book, but really I don’t want to academically debate things. I go through all the prophecies about the Millennial Kingdom and let the reader decide which of the End Time viewpoints best fit.

We folks believe that premillennialism, especially modern or dispensational premillennialism, is the viewpoint that best looks at Scripture from a literal interpretation. You know, our favorite rule of interpretation is the golden rule of interpretation. When the plain sense makes sense, look for no other sense, lest you end up with nonsense. And that’s how I approach the Millennial Kingdom prophecy.

Tim Moore: You certainly do. I like to say, the Lord said six times in Revelation 20, that this period when Jesus reigns on the earth will be a thousand years. He only had to say it once. My parents used to say, “I told you once. That’s all it takes. And you are expected to obey and heed.” The Lord didn’t have to say it six times, but I think He wanted to emphasize because this is a promise made to who? To Jesus Christ that He will return and reign.

And if He said it once, let alone six times, I believe it, and I take Him at His word. Those who would discount the millennial reign of Jesus Christ either spiritualized this away or try to make it mean something else allegorically altogether, and I could not be more determined to say the Lord said it, I believe it, that ends it.

Nathan Jones: Right, I mean, if you take a literal interpretation of the Bible, you get that. And it deals with a very big question. I open up the book with looking at all the major kingdoms of the world, and what do they have all in common? They’ve all failed. They’ve all failed at protecting its citizens and giving them freedoms and rights and giving them security. They couldn’t protect them from homelessness and hunger, poverty, war, and sickness.

And so the question that is called the problem of evil as it relates to failed human government, this issue of, well, if God is all-powerful and all-knowing and all-benevolent, why doesn’t He step in and do something about it? Well, the Lord gives us that answer in Daniel 2, when King Nebuchadnezzar, the greatest of all the kings and kingdoms, had this dream that Daniel interpreted for him and it was of this great statue which represented success of empires.

And then the stone not cut out by human hands comes flying out of the sky and it hits the statue and it explodes and the dust blows away. And that rock becomes a mountain and fills the earth. And that was a prophecy that a divine kingdom is going to end failed, flawed human government, and Jesus Christ, we now know as the Messiah because of the New Testament, will rule and reign over this Earth in a divine Davidic covenant.

Tim Moore: Praise the Lord. You know, I’m reminded of what the people of Israel clamored for in 1 Samuel 8. They looked around at the other empires and kingdoms and they said, “We need a king.” And Samuel was aghast. He said, “No, you don’t need a king, we’ve got the Lord.” “No, we want a king.” And so he came to the Lord and said, “Lord, the people want a king.” And the Lord God said, “They have not rejected you. They have rejected me. But give them a king.” They will learn that a king will not lead them into prosperity, into some divine system of government, but instead will take from them.

He’ll take from taxation; he’ll take service from their sons and daughters. He will be onerous in so many ways, and that proved true again and again and again in the history of Israel. But the Lord will provide a king that will be a truly benign and benevolent dictator, and more benevolent than dictator. But the Lord will reign with a rod of iron, and the whole earth will be flooded with peace, righteousness, and holiness as He reigns from Mount Zion in Jerusalem.

Nathan Jones: Amen, and that was a question that we had to deal with in this book, is that people, especially Christians, are losing their faith when they’re looking at the God-instituted human governments and saying, “Well, why isn’t God getting involved?” Or if they don’t believe, they establish government, and we’re seeing this especially in the West, that they replace God with government.

Well, if government keeps failing, then they start losing their faith of having any kind of faith in a supreme being. So this problem of evil is a big situation. Now, if you know the Bible and you go to Daniel 2 and get that answer, you know that we’re not going to have to suffer under this government anymore. I mean, so many people throughout the world have lived in such poverty and misery and grief because humans are flawed.

And so when you hear people, this utopian view that someday apart from God, mankind is going to build this utopia on earth, it can’t happen. And I think human history is God’s lesson to mankind that you can’t have utopia without the Prince of Peace ruling and reigning.

Tim Moore: We know historically that in the turn of the previous century, 1800s into 1900s, that there was much fervor that the Christian Church was growing in influence around the world. We were sending missionaries from the English-speaking world, or Western Europe, to the rest of the world.
And we thought, well, we’ll just evangelize the whole world and the Church will ascend in greater authority and power. Well, that did not prove true. We saw two devastating wars within the 20th century, and we’ve seen of late how the Church seems to be imploding. It is declining in influence, even here in the traditionally Christian West, including the United States. So this postmillennialism that the Church will ascend and Jesus will just return and we’ll hand the keys to the kingdom over to Him after we have conquered, no, that has been proven false.

And so that’s why we believe wholeheartedly in a premillennial viewpoint. But even as you and I have already said, we look forward to this reign of Christ, the promise isn’t predominantly for us, it is for Christ. It is for Him to receive that which He has been promised by the Father.

Nathan Jones: And that’s why instead of calling it the Millennial Kingdom, I like to call it the Kingdom of Christ or the Davidic Kingdom. And this is where, like you said, postmillennialism gets it confused. Because Cotton Mather, he was a Puritan pastor, he was a teacher, and he explained what the Kingdom of God is like, because people only look at these certain folds of it. And he said there was four folds.

There’s the spiritual. In other words, Jesus said this kingdom is not of this world, because he was bringing people to salvation for a future kingdom. There was also the second fold of Providential Kingdom. In other words, God is sovereign over all things. Third fold, Cotton said, was an Ecclesiastical Kingdom where the church would rule temporarily or be the representative of God in His place during this time. And that, Tim, is where we know that most people get hung up.

They see the Church as the end-all of the Kingdom of Christ. But the Lord prophesied another fold still yet to come, the Davidic Kingdom. Now, if you go to 2 Samuel 7, the Lord made a covenant with David. He said, “I will set up your seat after you, and I will establish the throne of His kingdom forever, so Nathan spoke to David.”

So it’s a covenant that one day David’s offspring, and ultimate offspring, would rule and reign on His throne on this earth physically. And that’s a fold that unfortunately most Christians have rejected or don’t understand because they’re stuck in the Church Age today.

Tim Moore: They sure are. And sometimes we have a very self-centered perspective, even on eschatology or End Times things. People want to know, well, what’s in it for me? Or if we’re in America, too many American Christians want to know, well, what’s in it for the United States? When God’s perspective is so much bigger than one country or me individually.

And so yes, there are promises He’s made to you and to me as Gentile Christians, there’s promises He’s made to all the Christians, Jew and Gentile, throughout the Church Age. The most important of those promises we are awaiting any day is the Rapture of the Church as Jesus gathers His bride, the Church, to Himself. But there are other promises made to the Lord God, to Jesus Christ, and to the Jewish people, to the nations who are antagonistic toward Israel, to the Creation itself, the created order. So all of these promises will be fulfilled.

But here’s a question, Nathan. If we believe, and absolutely we do, that this Millennial Kingdom will be repopulated by mortal human beings, who is that? Because if we’re raptured out of here, how can we possibly repopulate the earth?

Nathan Jones: That’s a very good question, and it’s one we have to explore. It’s like, if the Church is promised to rule and reign, and that’s getting into what the second part of the book, what life will be like for us when Jesus reigns on earth. It’s like for us, because the Church has promised that not only has Jesus promised to rule and reign on this earth from Jerusalem, physically He’s going to have His Millennial Temple.

The Jewish people will be a priestly people. There will be people who will survive this Tribulation time period. They will go into the Millennial Kingdom in their earthly bodies. But we the Church, the resurrected saints in our glorified bodies are promised to rule and reign with Jesus Christ over this earth. And so that’s the promise made to us. So the Lord gets to fulfill his Davidic Kingdom promise.

In Revelation 22, three times Jesus says, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my,” what? “Reward is with me to give to everyone according to his work.” So the good works we do now will be rewarded one day. And one of those rewards is that we will rule and reign under Christ over those in their earthly bodies during that kingdom.

Tim Moore: We will reign with Him. And that is so important, because that is a promise made again to Church Age believers. But there are other promises. So you mentioned already the promise to the Jewish people that they will be regathered, that they will be elevated once again in preeminence on the earth where all the other nations of the world will stream to Israel to worship the Lord, but also to honor Israel, His chosen people.

As a matter of fact, in that day and age, 10 men will grab the cloak of a Jew and say, “Take us with you because we heard the Lord is with you.” So that day is coming. That’s a promise to the Jewish people. That’s not a promise to me that I can lay claim to, other than celebrating the Lord for keeping all His promises.

Nathan Jones: Amen, and you know what really blew my mind, Tim, was the characteristics of the Kingdom of Christ. We look today, and especially with the Biden administration out, what did we see? Corruption and decay and greed and selfishness and slothfulness. But look at the Bible verses again, because I go through all the Bible verses related to the Millennial Kingdom. Daniel 2:44 says, “The God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall,” what? “Never be destroyed, and the kingdom shall not be left to other people.”

So when Jesus becomes king, that’s it. He is the final last king. He says in Psalm 22:27, “For the kingdom is the Lord’s, and he,” what? “Rules over the nations.” He’s not ruling the nations through the Church now, but He will one day physically. Or listen to this, this famous Christmas passage, Isaiah 9:6. “For unto us a child is born and unto us a Son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

I mean, listen to those attributes of God. Could we say that of a Donald Trump or a, you know, even big name leaders like Napoleon and all through history, no. Wisdom and counsel. Look into Isaiah 11. “The Spirit of the Lord shall rest on,” what? “The spirit of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, and knowledge and fear of the Lord.” How many human leaders have knowledge and fear of the Lord?

Tim Moore: Well, let’s face it, far too few in this day and age. I love that you cited the promises given to Mary there in Luke 1 when she was told that she would bear a son, His name would be Jesus, He will be great and called the Son of the Most High. But then the rest of the promises cited, and there are seven promises in verses 31 through 34, those other promises have not yet been fulfilled. He has not yet been given the throne of His father David, an earthly realm.

Nathan Jones: No, not yet.

Tim Moore: He is not yet reigning over the house of Jacob, and His kingdom yet has no end here on earth. We know He’s reigning in Heaven, don’t get me wrong. But those are promises that will be fulfilled literally right here on the earth. And I’m reminded, you mentioned so many passages when Zechariah told about the Lord’s return. In Chapter 14:9, he says, “And the Lord will be king over all the earth. In that day, the Lord will be the only one. His name, the only one.”

And skipping forward to verse 20, he says, “In that day it will be inscribed on the bells of the horse’s holy to the Lord, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the bulls before the altar.” In other words, everything on earth, down to the most trivial thing, the bells on horses’ collars, holy unto the Lord. Nathan, if even the bells on horses’ collars are holy, everything will be holy. Peace, righteousness, and justice flooding the earth.

Nathan Jones: So you can’t have a perfect society without a perfect sovereign, but you also need the administrators or the government to be perfect, too. And we are purified because when our sins are forgiven, we’re given our glorified bodies, the sin nature dies, and we become the administrators. So you’ve got a perfect king and purified administrators. And so the characteristics of its citizens are this.

Isaiah 11:9 says, “For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.” Tim, you hear many times people say, “Well, we’re in the Millennial Kingdom now. We’re in the Tribulation now and the Church Age now.” And it’s like, wait a minute, is the earth filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea? Or Malachi 1:11, “From the rising of the sun, even to its going down, my name shall be great among the Gentiles.”

Is the Lord’s name great among the Gentiles? It’s a curse word among the Gentiles. That’s why we learn that during the Millennial Kingdom, Jesus is going to go by a new name. We won’t call Him Jesus Christ or Yeshua. We will call Him Yahweh-Tsidkenu, which means the Lord our righteousness.

Tim Moore: The Lord our righteousness. You know, I can’t wait for that day, but frankly, I can’t wait to get this book. And we have to be frank, you and I have read the book because you wrote it and because I’ve seen it in print, or at least electronically. But we also know that you can order the book right now. How could a person get a copy of the book right now or pre-order it through us here at Lamb & Lion Ministries?

Nathan Jones: Well, we’re open to pre-orders right now. So Harvest House has got it up on Amazon. And we were told that, and this just kind of blew my mind, Tim, that if we can get 2,500 pre-orders, it makes books go viral in the secular world. So we can get the message of Jesus Christ’s soon return and about Jesus’ kingdom coming into the hands of people who normally wouldn’t read a book about the Bible.

So I just encourage everybody to go to Amazon, and please pre-order a copy. If we can get that 2,500, it’ll go viral all for the Lord’s glory. After June 3rd, then we’ll be able to have them here, and you can order through christinprophecy.org. Just click Store, or again, it will continue to be on Amazon.

Tim Moore: You mentioned how some people will mistakenly, I believe, claim that we are living in the midst of the Tribulation and the Millennium right now. And I think, well, the Tribulation period as described in Revelation is the most horrific period in all human history, where half the world’s population is destroyed in a short period of time. It also says, speaking of the Millennium, that Satan will be bound.

And my retort to those claims that were in the Millennium right now is, well gee, if Satan’s bound, he’s on an awful long chain, because he seems to be raging and nipping at me all the time. And that’s exactly what Scripture says is happening. And yet we’re promised that Satan will be bound. What does that entail?

Nathan Jones: When Jesus returns at the Second Coming and we follow Him and watch all of it, He will defeat the antichrist and false prophet. He will speak and the antichrist armies will melt before Him. And He will take this great angel, a jailer angel, and he’ll bound Satan and he’ll throw him into the pit for a thousand years.

Now, one thing in my research I couldn’t find is what happens to the demons. But since Satan is released at the end of the Millennial Kingdom, I believe they go directly to hell. It doesn’t seem like there’s a place for them. So imagine living in a society where there is no demonic influence in the world.

We know this, we know Satan rules this world. We wouldn’t have the occult if Jesus was ruling and reigning now and Satan was bound. Clearly Satan is alive and well. Now, one of the great mysteries of the Millennial Kingdom, Tim, that’s troubling to my heart, is we know that the end of the Millennial Kingdom, that Jesus Himself is going to let Satan be released into this world. What do you think of that?

Tim Moore: Boy, I tell you what, part of me says, “No, Lord, don’t let him out! You’ve got him bound. Just leave him there forever.” That goes into the mind of God that I cannot fathom. He has a purpose. I personally think one of His purposes is to demonstrate the fallacy of a human philosophy, which has been rampant for many years and probably throughout history.

And that is that we are, A, not responsible for our evil deeds, that it’s only the nature around us that makes us twist and bend in a wrong direction that is rampant in our culture right now. You know, we’re not responsible for our own sinfulness. It’s the way we were raised. It’s the things that were impressed upon us. And the Word of God says, well, those things will be held accountable to those who did inflict upon you.

But each of us is responsible for our own choices and for our own sinfulness. So I think during this thousand years when the people who enter it in their mortal bodies because they’ve already trusted in Christ, have children, grandchildren, and great, great, great, great grandchildren over that thousand-year period, those descendants will live in a world of absolute perfection.

There will be no evil, no temptation, and no toleration of wrongdoing. But deep in their heart there will be a seed of sin because that’s part of our makeup it seems. And at the end of the Millennium, given just a slight opportunity, many of those people will rebel against the Lord God. And it’s tragic, but it demonstrates that the problem is not external to us. The problem is us. It’s in my own heart.

Nathan Jones: Ah, you nailed it. Yes. I mean, you’ve got a perfect sovereign. You have a purified administration. But the citizens in their earthly bodies are still sinful. Jesus will rule with great passion, with great love, but He’ll rule with a rod of iron. In other words, sins won’t go through court systems for years on end, judgment will come right away.

And those in their earthly bodies who wish to sin will see, then wish to rebel. Satan is released as a lightning rod. And it says, and this is one of the most tragic events in human history, and it’s still future, is that we know children, unbelievable, from every tribe, tongue, and nation will follow Satan, try to rebel against Jesus Christ.

They will march an army up to Jerusalem, which will be raised above all the other mountains, the Bible says, and be surrounded by water essentially. So the whole geography’s going to change. And since there’s no war, and this is another beautiful thing about the Millennial Kingdom, since there’s no war during that time, therefore this won’t be a battle. God sends fire down.

Tim Moore: Amen.

Nathan Jones: And exterminates the rebels. And then we start moving on into the eternal state, which is the forever aspect of the kingdom.

Tim Moore: That blows my mind, too. We hear so much about the Battle of Armageddon, but this final war of Gog and Magog, this final rebellion, there’s just a couple of verses, and the rebels are obliterated.

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Part 2

Tim Moore: If you find that you right now are in rebellion against God, our plea is that you immediately would turn from your wicked ways, your sin, even the things you regret throughout your life, to our great God and Savior, the one who is coming, but the one who already offers you forgiveness and salvation to be entered into a relationship with God and be promised that you’ll return with Him to reign during the Millennial Kingdom. So on that note, Nathan, I want to go back to what can we look forward to? What will life be like during this millennial period of time?

Nathan Jones: And you brought up an excellent point. Before we dive into this, the only citizens of the Kingdom of Christ, this Millennial Kingdom, are people who are saved. After the Tribulation, only those who’ve already been resurrected or who have survived the Tribulation and accepted Christ as Savior is going in the Millennial Kingdom. So anyone today who doesn’t know Jesus as Savior, this isn’t their future.

But the future is great promise for those who love Him. After the sheep goat judgment, then those who’ve accepted Christ as Savior move on into the Kingdom. Again, we talked about those in the earthly bodies. For those in the earthly bodies, Tim, they won’t know want or starvation or homelessness anymore. The Lord cleans that up.

There are verses that talk about how there will be so much bounty, so much food, and that the treader of grapes will be surpassed by the one who’s picking them out. I mean it’s just, there’s so much food. Those who are in their earthly bodies, it’ll be like before the flood when the people lived hundreds and hundreds of years. Matter of fact, if someone dies at a hundred years old, they’ll be considered a child and a cursed at that.

So we know that there will be death during that time, but it’ll be greatly curtailed. Special needs, you know, deaf, dumb, blind, that won’t be an aspect. They won’t see child, labor, with children dying in childbirth like we did. We’ll get to go, the Lord will institute the Feast of Tabernacles for the whole world, and everybody on the planet will go up to see Jesus once a year in fellowship and tabernacle with Him.

He’s going to build this Millennial Temple, Tim, that’s 40 miles squared. It’s massive. That’s His throne room. That’s His house and center of worship. And we will sit with the Lord and rule and reign under Him as well. King David has a role during that time. We’ll get to go talk to King David during that time. So there’s going to be so much bounty. The animals won’t be killing each other. There’ll be no war. It’s to be peace. It’s the utopia that mankind has always wanted.

Tim Moore: You know, there’s a great song, actually, that touches on this called “I Can Only Imagine.” But really we don’t even have to imagine because Scripture describes exactly what Nathan is talking about today. And Nathan, it actually says that the whole Creation is already groaning to see this redemption, this restoration, when Jesus Himself makes all things new. And the writers of Scripture also say if the Creation is groaning, shouldn’t the sons of God be groaning for the restoration that is promised?

Nathan Jones: Exactly, well that that goes back to the original problem of evil as it relates to failed human government. Is the Millennial Kingdom the answer to that? And I came into writing this book and originally the paper thinking yes. But as I got into it, I realized no, because the citizens rebel at the end. And because of the fire and the conflagration, the earth and all the restoration the Lord brought to it will be corrupted again.

So that’s why the Lord holds this Great White Throne Judgment and He reforms the Earth. And so there’s a new Earth, and the Heaven comes down to Earth as the new Jerusalem. So you’ve got a perfect king, a purified administration, and a perfected citizenry. When those three things happen, then all the promises are fulfilled, including one of the most important promises, that Christ Kingdom is forever.

Tim Moore: Amen.

Nathan Jones: Because we’re in the eternal state, and that’s forever. So I was talking with Lee Brainard about this, and he helped me understand that the Millennial Kingdom is like a foretaste of the fulfillment of the true kingdom, the Davidic Kingdom, the eternal aspect.

Tim Moore: The eternal aspect, and that’s an important point too, because even as we long to be a part of the Millennial Kingdom, that is not the end all in itself. Really the salvation that can be ours right now promises us not only citizenship or administrative authority in the Millennial Kingdom, but it promises us an eternity with Christ.

And so that doesn’t come through a government state that is perfected even during this thousand-year reign. It comes through the salvation offered through the person of Jesus Christ and the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. Nathan, we don’t have to wait for the Millennial Kingdom to receive that. How can our viewers right now accept the Lord and know that kind of promise?

Nathan Jones: Amen, well, I ended The Coming Millennial Kingdom with the most important, you can’t be a citizen of the Kingdom unless you know Jesus Christ as your savior. Only those who are saved are entering into that kingdom. And you can be saved when you put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.

When you pray from your heart, Lord Jesus, I know I’m a sinner. I know I’ve rebelled against you. Please forgive me. I love you, and I want you to be the Lord and savior of my life. And Jesus Christ will forgive you of your sins. The guilt will be washed away, and you will inherit eternal life forever. You’ll become a citizen of that kingdom.

Tim Moore: Well, Nathan, I don’t think there’s any better way to end than to share that Gospel message with our viewers and for any who may not already have put their trust in Jesus Christ, our soon-coming King, as I like to say. So thank you for joining us today as a special guest on Christ in Prophecy.

Nathan Jones: It’s good to be a guest on it, yeah.

Tim Moore: I think we’ll have you back again.

Nathan Jones: I look forward to it.

Tim Moore: All right. We hope that you’ll join us again soon, perhaps next week. And we also hope that you too will order The Coming Millennial Kingdom, either in a pre-order status or from us here at Lamb & Lion Ministries. Until next time, I’m Tim Moore with Nathan Jones. On behalf of all of us here at Lamb & Lion Ministries, Godspeed!

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