Eric Barger on Perilous Times

Are Christians living in perilous times? Find out with guest Eric Barger on the show Christ in Prophecy.

Air Date: September 16, 2018

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Dr. Reagan: The Apostle Paul prophesied that in the end times, during the season of the Lord’s return, we would be confronted with perilous times when people would love themselves, love money, and love pleasure. He was echoing the words of Jesus who had proclaimed that society would be as immoral and violent when He returns as it was in the days of Noah. Have those perilous times arrived? Stay tuned for an interview with Eric Barger.

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Part 1

Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus, our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ in Prophecy. My colleague, Nathan Jones, and I have a very special guest in the studio today. He is Eric Barger, the founder of a ministry called, “Take a Stand!” And that is exactly what Eric has done, folks. He speaks out boldly in defense of the fundamentals of the Christian faith, and he minces no words in doing so. No one will ever accuse him of tiptoeing through the tulips. Welcome to Christ in Prophecy, Brother.

Eric Barger: Thank you, David, I appreciate it. Good to see both of you.

Nathan Jones: Ah, so good to have you back on, Eric.

Eric Barger: Thank you, Nathan.

Nathan Jones: Well, let’s get back to how Dr. Reagan started the program with, he gave us a question: Are we living in perilous times? Yes, or no?

Dr. Reagan: And incidentally where does that term come from?

Eric Barger: Oh, it is in 2 Timothy chapter 3.

Dr. Reagan: Yes. It says the end times will be perilous times.

Eric Barger: Right, perilous times. And in that time people would be lovers of themselves, more than lovers of God, boasters, proud, arrogant, deceivers, God haters. There is a whole list there. And that really when you see what verse 4 says that’s aimed at the church, not the world. It describes what the Church–or what the world looks like today. But when you look at what it said in verse 4 they have a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. So, Paul is aiming this at people who are in a religious setting rather.

Dr. Reagan: I know every time I watch the evening news I think of that passage.

Eric Barger: Exactly.

Dr. Reagan: We’re here.

Eric Barger: Oh, we are.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah.

Eric Barger: We are.

Nathan Jones: So, you are saying that we are in perilous times?

Eric Barger: We see it in the world. We see it in the Church. We are in perilous times.

Nathan Jones: So, we are 2 Timothy.

Eric Barger: Yeah, that’s right. And I believe we’re going to deal with a world that looks darker, and darker. And it is going to turn darker and more against and opposed to the things that we would stand for as Christians.

Nathan Jones: Well, give us some examples then, because obviously you said traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having the form of godliness but denying its power. What are some examples today that show us that we are living in these perilous times?

Eric Barger: That’s the extreme narcissism.

Nathan Jones: Narcissism.

Eric Barger: Really that’s what Paul is really describing there. That’s a word of course we use, but not one we see in the Bible. But, I think maybe one of the things that disturbs me the most about that is the idea that our free speech and our discussion of the Gospel, our ability to disseminate the Gospel those things I think are being put in the crosshairs of those who want to stop it. They don’t want to hear the Gospel.

Nathan Jones: Some kind of Christian persecution, free speech and political correctness all working together?

Eric Barger: All of that. Yup, and it is happening here in our culture, let alone in a communist culture or another culture around the world that would never have been as free as ours is. But it is happening in our culture. We see a case up in Canada a very famous case in 2013 where the Canadian Supreme Court called the Bible hate speech.

Nathan Jones: Ah, really.

Eric Barger: Where, yeah, and most of this is started at the level of the human rights groups, and the human rights commissions. Whenever you see those kind of things these are bureaucrats who are appointed and who are making delineations about whether something is hate speech or something isn’t. Of course–

Dr. Reagan: And the result of that is in Canada right now if you speak out against abortion, or speak out against same-sex marriage, or homosexuality on the air you’ll be fined $50,000. And if you do it a second time you’re off the air.

Eric Barger: That’s right.

Nathan Jones: We held a conference recently where we mentioned those topics and over in Canada YouTube cut us off so that they could not hear us talk about the sexual perversion movement, and other topics like that.

Eric Barger: Yeah, I know. I know. I’ve been waiting for a witch to sue one of us, one of our people who talk about this stuff because we’ve made her feel bad or him feel bad about their– You know I’ve been waiting for that because you see the other things that have happened. You know in Canada this summer there’s a summer jobs movement, and it has been out there for quite a while that the government will help fund summer jobs. But before a non-profit can get a grant they have to check a box that says they agree with abortion. Now, that’s Trudeau’s doing.

Nathan Jones: Wow.

Dr. Reagan: That’s where we’re headed in this country.

Eric Barger: It is.

Dr. Reagan: It is.

Eric Barger: And we better wake up here because I think our free speech, I don’t think I know it’s under attack here the same. The same ideas are being perpetrated on this side. Well, California they want to put a clamp on conferences and on any books or DVDs that go against the LGBT community and that kind of thing. So that’s happening. They’ve got a law that they’re trying to run through there.

Nathan Jones: You can’t even share the Gospel with someone who is a transvestite for instance and say, “Hey, Christ can rescue from that.” Because that is hate speech against transvestites.

Eric Barger: That’s right. They want to make that illegal. That we can’t minister to people in that way.

Dr. Reagan: Eric, you put out a wonderful video called, something I think it’s called, “Perilous Times.”

Eric Barger: It is.

Dr. Reagan: Give us some points from it.

Eric Barger: Well, in preparing for perilous times I go down kind of list. I talk about that case in Canada, and several others here in the US. One in Ireland where a pastor in Ireland was put on trial because in a 45 minute message for 30 seconds he spoke about Islam in a negative way. So, we see all these kind of things going on. Now, he by the way was let off. He was exonerated.

Nathan Jones: Good, he should.

Eric Barger: But we see these things and then by going through that list and just trying to say to the Church don’t be asleep at the switch here. The Church is sleeping as you know. We all know, we see this happening around us where people don’t want to hear about this stuff it is construed as negative, and it is too upsetting so we don’t want to deal with it. But when it comes to roost at our front door, and we are not able then to share the Gospel what are we doing with what Christ gave us to do? We were left here to share a message. If we don’t go out and do that we are in trouble. We are in spiritual trouble. And we need to share that message boldly. And hey around us right now we are going to have to make some decisions about whether we are just going to let this happen unabated, or whether we are going to stand up against this movement to try to stop us from sharing the Gospel openly here in our country.

Dr. Reagan: Well, what are some specific things that you are concerned about that makes this perilous times?

Eric Barger: There are three, I think, three elements that we are going to fight between now and the time the Lord comes. Number one will be the LGBT community, and that whole idea of whether you can speak openly about this from the Scriptures.

Dr. Reagan: You know the letters of that get longer, and longer.

Eric Barger: They sure do.

Nathan Jones: They put a plus now.

Dr. Reagan: I just call it the sexual perversion movement.

Eric Barger: That’s right.

Dr. Reagan: I can’t keep up with the letters.

Eric Barger: I stopped short of all the rest of the letters, in the order that the alphabet doesn’t go. That’s one. Second, is speaking out about other religions; Islam in particular. A bill was passed back in 2011 to allow countries of the world, this was in the UN Security Council, to allow countries in the world to stop anyone from speaking ill of anybody else’s faith. Well, good-bye to apologetics at that point. Good-bye to polemics totally. So, you’re not going to be able to do that. That was Resolution 1615 I believe it was. It’s in the DVD. But you know there is a resolution at the UN right now. Now that didn’t pass here in the US because it take our Senate to do that in our country. So, it’s not law here. But, during the last administration they tried to get that through.

Dr. Reagan: It reminds me of a sign I saw recently of a person on a college campus holding up a sign that said, “No free speech that hurts feelings.”

Nathan Jones: Yeah. Wow.

Eric Barger: Well, somebody’s going to get hurt on one side or the other.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, I know.

Dr. Reagan: Well, everybody is concerned about every body’s feelings except Christians.

Eric Barger: That’s right. That’s right. We are an easy target they think.

Dr. Reagan: We are the target.

Eric Barger: We are the target for sure. You know our First Amendment is the single thing that’s held this back in our country. We still have free speech even though of course today it’s the loudest one that can shout somebody else down wins.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, break down of discourse.

Eric Barger: Exactly. Discourse there isn’t any discourse anymore. That is exactly where I was going to go with that. The third thing that I believe we’re going–you know were facing, were not going to see the abortion issue settled in anyway. This is going to continue to be a hot button, a hot point and those three things we are going to continue to deal with. And as we continue to watch our free speech erode all three of those issues be it LGBT, be it religious speech as far as speaking about cultic, or occultic, or world religious and so on, you know. All religions can be wrong, but they can’t all be right. Jesus is the only way. The minute you say that you’re speaking hate speech according to these folks. And of course the third thing is abortion. So that’s what we’re facing. But this tells me Jesus is coming soon.

Dr. Reagan: That’s the good news.

Eric Barger: This shows me the bright hour that we’re in, and the great opportunity we have as Christians to stand up and see a harvest of those who will listen to the truth.

Dr. Reagan: That reminds me of the great statement by the pastor who said, “The world is growing gloriously dark.”

Nathan Jones: Adrian Rogers.

Dr. Reagan: You have to understand Bible prophecy to understand what he means by that.

Eric Barger: That’s right.

Dr. Reagan: Because Jesus said I’m going to come back at a time when it is as bad as it was in the days of Noah.

Eric Barger: Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: So, that’s the good side of this.

Eric Barger: That is a good side of it.

Dr. Reagan: It is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

Eric Barger: It is fulfillment of Bible prophecy. And that tells me, I mean when you look around us today all the events, we just passed Israel’s 70th anniversary. I mean all these events taking place today tell me where we are. And the technology we have that will be available to Antichrist to track the people of the world that was never available until this day we’re in. We are seeing all these things coming in to line. It is going to mean perilous times for us now. But that doesn’t mean we should be fearful. God hasn’t given us the spirit of fear. We are to go forward understanding we’re here on a mission. Most of the Church however is just happy to say, “I’ve got a nice place I can go every Sunday morning to feel that I’ve got friends who are little bit nicer than people in the world.” And they don’t understand we’re here to make an impact.

Dr. Reagan: Yes, it’s amazing how quiet the Church is concerning the issues of society. Most pastors are afraid they are going to step on some toes. They are going to make somebody mad. And so as Donald Wildmon says, “We have 300,000 silent pulpits of people not speaking out.” And we’ve got to stand. We’re called to be salt and light. We are to stand. And you know I talked to Don Wildmon one time personally about his tremendous effort to bring some civility to television and movies. And he said, “David, my worst critics are pastors.” He said, “I get letters from them all the time condemning me saying, ‘Hey, it’s worse than it was 20 years ago. You are just knocking your head against the wall. You’re not making any progress. Why don’t you just quit? You’re not winning.” And you know what he always writes back? “God didn’t call me to win. He called me to stand. We’re not going to win until Jesus Christ returns.”

Eric Barger: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: I like that.

Eric Barger: Oh, me too. And I’ve appreciated what his stands, all of them that he’s taken through the years. And that’s what we need to be. A lot of the pulpits have turned to the user friendly, feel good messages because they are more interested in attracting the people and putting warm bodies in the seats than they are in making a difference and seeing souls won.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah. Well, we’re going to take a break here, but when we come back, one thing I want in particular for you to address is one of the fastest growing apostasies in the church today; and that is the teaching that there are many different roads to God. We must be tolerant because there are many different roads to God. And I also want you when we come back to explain to our viewers what in the world does it mean when you have an apologetics ministry? People always ask me, “What are they apologizing for?”

Eric Barger: I know.

Dr. Reagan: And a discernment ministry. What does that mean? Because you are basically have an apologetics, discernment ministry. So I want you to define that for our viewers so they’ll understand that you are not going around apologizing to anybody about anything.

Eric Barger: Okay. That’s true.

Dr. Reagan: Okay, we’ll come back in just a moment.

Part 2

Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and our discussion with Eric Barger about the perilous times in which we live. Now, Eric, I hear that you go around apologizing for us all the time. Saying I’m sorry. Why are you so apologetic?

Eric Barger: I got a letter from a pastor friend of mine and it was a recommendation letter. The next day I got another letter from him. And that one began, “Eric Barger is the greatest apologizer I know. If you need something apologized for just bring him to your church and take him around town.” And I called him, his name is Bob. I called Bob, “Which letter should I use?” You know? But apologetics is really the Bible term, the biblical term for the defense of the faith. It’s used eight in the New Testament. So, we’re always ready to be able to give every man an answer for the hope that lies within us. That word answer in 1 Peter 3:15 is apologetics in the Greek. So, apologetics is the defense of the faith. Showing the defense of the faith.

Nathan Jones: So, you’re wearing the armor, you’re defending the Gospel.

Eric Barger: That’s right. And hopefully doing so in such a way that we’re not cutting people up, and beating them up. That’s not the issues. And that is not what we should be doing. But we share the truth. Often times the truth hurts. And people don’t want to hear some of these things but it is our job to tell them.

Dr. Reagan: What I hear over and over these days from many sources including people who claim to be evangelicals is that doctrine simply is not important. What is your response to that?

Eric Barger: Well, that’s what the emergent church was built on.

Dr. Reagan: Well, I know.

Eric Barger: And of course emergent isn’t a word they use anymore but the whole philosophy is still there. And it’s really permeated more of our once solid denominations then you would imagine. But that’s the thing. People decide that they don’t want to hear about doctrine. People have heard it and they don’t need to hear it anymore, we want to hear about life application. You know how to live a successful life. How to balance your check book. How to raise a good family. All that’s fine but if we don’t attach the Gospel to whatever we do have we really given them anything that’s of any eternal significance.

Nathan Jones: Good point.

Dr. Reagan: You know one of the leading candidates for president of the Southern Baptist Convention wrote an article last year in which he said that Muslims and Christians worship the same god. And I heard some people in the Southern Baptist Convention say, “Well, you know he’s a young guy and he doesn’t really know theology very well.” They were excusing this.

Eric Barger: Wow. Wow. Well, Allah is not Jehovah. And the Jesus of the Bible is not the Jesus that is spoken about 97 times in the Koran.

Dr. Reagan: Well, let’s get into that for a moment. Are there many different roads to God? And what about the gods of–

Eric Barger: Well, just take Islam. I mean when we talk about a god in Islam in the Koran, Jesus is spoken of 97 times. But the Jesus of the Koran is never deified. Did not die on the cross. Did not pay for our sins. He’s going to be the enforcer for Allah that is basically the way to look at him.

Nathan Jones: He’s going to knock all the crosses down and kill all the pigs.

Eric Barger: Exactly. Anybody who didn’t surrender to Mohammed’s teaching he’s going to take care of them in the end. That’s not the Jesus of the Bible. And so we have these misconceptions all around us. How many of the cults use the word Jesus? Or claim the scriptures? Or quote the scriptures?

Dr. Reagan: Or if they do use Jesus it is a fake Jesus. It’s the Jesus who is Michael the Archangel or something like that.

Eric Barger: Exactly. I spoke of that at a Lamb & Lion Conference a few years ago about that. So, you know that’s the thing. There maybe people claiming all these different paths to God, or that all paths lead to the same place. That’s not at all what the scripture teaches.

Dr. Reagan: You know what? All paths do lead to the same place, they lead to a God who is going to judge.

Nathan Jones: It leads to His throne room, right?

Eric Barger: Well, when you look at it like that. But the ending result is one of two places.

Dr. Reagan: The ending result is not the same.

Eric Barger: No, so that’s the thing.

Nathan Jones: Do you see that move towards to Universalism in our perilous times as moving towards say the harlot religion that will start the Tribulation?

Eric Barger: Ah, yeah, because man becomes I think deified in the end, or at least in his own mind.

Nathan Jones: Okay, so Universalism really is Humanism.

Eric Barger: Well, I’ve said for a long time that the New Age is moving closer to Humanism and Humanism is moving closer to the New Age.

Nathan Jones: Oh, interesting.

Eric Barger: And sometimes you really can’t tell one from the other until you can dig into the person who is teaching it.

Nathan Jones: Interesting.

Eric Barger: Yeah.

Dr. Reagan: You know Pastor Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Church often points out that every religion in the world except Christianity can be summed up in one word, and that word is do, you’ve got to work your way to heaven. Christianity is the only one that can be summed with the word done; over and done with on the cross by Jesus Christ there is nothing that we can do except accept Him.

Nathan Jones: Amen. Amen.

Eric Barger: That is exactly right. I think we, honestly its part of our fallen Adamic nature to believe that we can do anything to save ourselves. That any of our works can do anything. People get the cart before the horse and don’t realize that we don’t work to get saved, we work because we are saved. And when we get that right the pressure goes away. You know, all that idea that we have to be perfect somehow. And I know in Him I’m perfect; in me I’m not. And I can do nothing to save myself.

Dr. Reagan: Well, it’s very disturbing to see how many people are–in fact today if you say something to the effect that Jesus is the only way you are declared to be a bigot, intolerant, whatever. Even among Christians you find this. And I always say to them, “I’m not saying that. Jesus said that. Do you believe Jesus was really God in the flesh? Do you believe He was the Son of God? He said it. Are you going to accept it or not?” Well, it’s just not tolerant.

Nathan Jones: Not their Jesus.

Eric Barger: Yeah, well we are not called to worry about how it lands with somebody. We’re called to put it out there, put the truth out that way whoever God is trying to deal with well, I think everybody should have an opportunity to hear the Gospel. And if they don’t accept it that’s a different story. But we’ve got to put it out there and be faithful with the Gospel and not try to figure out how we can somehow make it palatable to somebody. The minute we do that we start watering down the truth of the Gospel.

Dr. Reagan: You know there was a time when you could say you were an evangelical and that meant something. That meant that you relied on the Bible for everything that you believe in your life practices and everything. But today that term is used by people who don’t even believe the Bible is inerrant, they believe it is filled with all kinds if myths and legends and superstition. It has ceased to have any meaning. And mainly this is among people who are in what came to be known as the Emergent Church Movement, you said it’s not called that anymore but you know a lot about it. Tell us some of the characteristics of that movement.

Eric Barger: Well, you’re right about the whole definition of the word evangelical because it used to be I could say evangelical and people would understand what I meant. Now I have to give them at least a paragraph so they understand that I’m not what maybe some other people think is evangelical. I’m a Bible believer first and foremost, I think that’s the best way.

Dr. Reagan: You know that is interesting you should say that because somebody asked me, wrote me recently and said, “You need to phrase things differently or people are going to think you’re a fundamentalist.” And I wrote back and I said, “You know really I am a fundamentalist. I don’t use that term because it has so much baggage.”

Nathan Jones: Yeah, Islamic almost.

Dr. Reagan: It is known as being super legalistic and all that. So, I just tell people I’m a Bible believing Christian.

Eric Barger: That’s the best way. I mean I’ve gone from saying I’m an evangelical to that.

Dr. Reagan: That’s what I’ve done too.

Eric Barger: Exactly.

Nathan Jones: Wasn’t there a Barna poll that came out that showed that only 9% of people who say–yeah–

Dr. Reagan: A biblical worldview.

Nathan Jones: A biblical worldview in other words Jesus Christ in the Son of God–

Dr. Reagan: Of confessing Christians have a biblical worldview.

Eric Barger: Wow. That makes us all begin to check ourselves.

Nathan Jones: That’s perilous.

Eric Barger: It should. That is perilous times.

Dr. Reagan: Well, tell us something what are the characteristics of this movement?

Eric Barger: Well, the emergent church really believed that a new church must emerge to meet the needs of the Millennial crowd of the Post-Modern group. That they wouldn’t accept Christianity the way it’s always been so we needed a new church. And in the process of that, listening to some of their leaders, and I’ve been to a couple of conferences and heard them, heard what I call the godfather of the emergent movement redefine Christianity to say that we are here to save planet earth. That John 3:16 isn’t about saving the lost in the world, it’s about the earth, the world. And he makes that point in one of his books.

Dr. Reagan: In fact you went to one of his rallies up in Washington State and what did he ask people to do at the end?

Eric Barger: It was in Idaho. But, yes, you remember. Yeah, he said, “Come up and take water from a vat and rebaptize yourself into the new Christianity. And then he said– and there was a vat on the table, and there was a tub that a farmer might feed livestock from. And that tub was filled with dirt. And he said, “While you’re here put your hands in the dirt,” his exact words, “to see what needs to be saved.”

Nathan Jones: The dirt?

Eric Barger: The dirt. The earth.

Dr. Reagan: Yeah.

Eric Barger: And he makes that point very clearly in the book.

Dr. Reagan: And this is a very influential person.

Eric Barger: Very. One of the most sought after speakers.

Dr. Reagan: You know one of the characteristics of that movement is that instead of getting up and let’s say teaching a sermon about homosexuality and what the Bible has to say about it, instead the approach is, “Well, how do you feel about it?” Let’s all talk about it. How do you feel about it?

Eric Barger: It is a conversation that never has a period at the end.

Dr. Reagan: No. No.

Eric Barger: Feelings over facts.

Eric Barger: You know it just keeps going and it’s all about feelings.

Dr. Reagan: As if how I feel about something is as important as what God has said about it.

Eric Barger: That’s it.

Nathan Jones: Wow.

Eric Barger: One of the six characteristics of emergent ideas is feelings are more important than truth.

Dr. Reagan: Absolutely. Absolutely. That will get you in trouble fast.

Nathan Jones: So, that would put us as god.

Eric Barger: Oh, yeah, we become gods.

Nathan Jones: We are the god of the religion.

Eric Barger: In the end it’s us. It’s all about us. And if you tell a narcissistic group of people who have been raised to believe that they should be served in every way, that church is about them you can get them to come to church. But not if you begin to tell them truth that it is not about them it’s about God.

Nathan Jones: I had so much trouble when we first moved to Dallas finding a church because so many of the churches the service was all about us. The worship is what God’s doing for you. The sermon was how to help yourself. It took a few churches before we found one that put God at the center of the worship service.

Eric Barger: How do you think I felt when I moved back to the Seattle area? The least churched county in the United States is where I live.

Dr. Reagan: You are in the center of paganism.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, one church to choose from, right?

Eric Barger: It took us eight months, and of course I was traveling some, but Melanie and my daughter, my wife Melanie and my daughter both, the looked, and I looked. Finally we said, “Well, I guess this is it.”

Dr. Reagan: Well, you just don’t understand in Washington State the essence of religion is tree hugging.

Eric Barger: Well, that’s really true. There is an awful lot of very new-agey ethereal kind of self, self-style new age stuff. But we finally found a decent church, a good church and the Gospel is being preached.

Nathan Jones: Good. Praise the Lord.

Eric Barger: But they are few and far between.

Dr. Reagan: You know people are so concerned these days about hurting people’s feelings. And certainly we shouldn’t desire to hurt people’s feelings, but on the other hand we need to confront them as sinners. And the Gospel has never changed. You confront people with the fact that they are sinners, and you tell them what they must do about that. And that is going to offend people.

Eric Barger: It is. And as I’ve said now we don’t need to beat people up in the process. But it is a loving act to tell people the truth, especially if their eternity is at stake, and that is up to us to do. It’s just not for you, you, it’s not for us here. It’s not for people that are in so called full-time ministry it’s for the entire church who really believes the Bible to share this with the lost world.

Dr. Reagan: So, what is your message to the viewer about standing? We are supposed to be salt and light, what does that mean?

Eric Barger: Oh, I think that is one of the most important things. That in every way, the way that we conduct ourselves in our lives, in our businesses, in our marriages of course, in our interactions with others. To let that light shine. And it doesn’t mean we’re holier than thou. It doesn’t mean that we walk around looking whatever spiritual looks like I’m not sure. But we’ve got to present truth in such a way that people understand that there is only one way. That time is short. That if we are in perilous times that trumpet call could happen anytime. And that’s the thing. It’s sharing people with an urgency. If the Church just had the urgency, Dr. Reagan, that would be the key right there.

Dr. Reagan: Well, it also means standing. If we don’t stand for righteousness, nobody’s going to stand for righteousness.

Eric Barger: That’s right.

Dr. Reagan: It is going to become increasingly difficult to do so. Already it is difficult for people to stand because when they take a stand it may mean their job promotion. It may mean their job itself.

Eric Barger: That’s right. That’s right.

Dr. Reagan: We’ve seen people fired over saying, “Bless you.”

Eric Barger: Yeah. Yeah. Somebody did that recently on this trip actually, someone somewhere serving me in a restaurant or whatever. A gas station she said, “Have a blessed day.” I said, “I love that answer, that response.” So, I commented back to her you know. But some places that might cost you your job.

Dr. Reagan: Right. So, we urge you to stand for righteousness that’s what we need to do in these end times. Speak out, and you can do it in many different ways. You know people always ask me, “Well, what should I do?” I say, “Pray, the Lord will show you.” He’ll show you.

Eric Barger: That’s right.


Dr. Reagan: Well, folks, that’s our program for today. And as we bring it to a close I want to thank Eric for being our special guest. Eric, thank you, and God bless you.

Eric Barger: Thank you, David. My pleasure to be here.

Nathan Jones: Eric, can you look in that camera and tell folks how they can get in touch with your ministry?

Eric Barger: Sure, it is just is the best way, my name all run together.

Nathan Jones: That’s pretty simple. Folks, Eric has prepared a 100 minute video album titled, “Preparing for Perilous Times.” You can order a copy of it through his website.

Dr. Reagan: Well, folks, I want to thank you for watching our program today. I hope the Lord willing that you’ll be back with us again next week. Until then, this is Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries saying “Look up, be watchful, for our redemption is drawing near.”

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