Is God warning the United States through prophetic voices? Find out with Dr. David Reagan and Nathan Jones on the show Christ in Prophecy.
Air Date: March 11, 2018
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Dr. Reagan: Did you know that in the mid-1970s God began speaking thru prophetic voices to call the people of our nation to repentance and to warn of impending disaster if we refused to repent? And did you know He is still speaking to our nation today thru prophetic voices? Stay tuned to find out who those voices are and what they are saying.
Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus, our Blessed Hope and welcome to Christ in Prophecy! For those of you who are regular viewers, I’m sure you realize that I am not in my regular seat. Instead, I’m sitting in the hot seat where our guests normally sit, and my colleague, Nathan Jones, is sitting in my usual seat. The change-up is due to the fact that Nathan is going to interview me about my latest book, this one, entitled, “God’s Prophetic Voices to America.” Okay, Nathan, it’s all yours!
Nathan Jones: Ok, well let’s get in it, Dave. Another excellent book by the way, two in one year, most impressive. You start out by saying, “God never pours out His wrath without warning because He does not wish that any should perish, but all should come to repentance. God warns in two ways, one through remedial judgments, and two through prophetic voices.” So these prophetic voices that God raises up they speak against a particular enemy, now could you tell us who or what exactly is that enemy?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, you’re right about the fact that God never pours out His wrath without warning; and He does it through remedial judgments and prophetic voices. And He has certainly raised up prophetic voices in this nation. But we need to know who the enemy is.
Nathan Jones: Yes.
Dr. Reagan: And the enemy is a philosophy of man that has been around since the beginning of time, but it’s really a religion. I call it the religion of Satan and it is called Humanism. You find it at the Garden where God says to Eve, “If you will take a bite of this apple, do what I ask you to do, you will become like God.” And that is what Humanism has taught from the very beginning. It has gone under various names, but it always teaches that our ultimate hope is man, not God. That man is perfectible, that the source of evil is society and not man himself. And if we could just create the right society and put man in it, man will be perfected, he’ll become better and better. That we can solve our own problems. That we don’t need some mythical person like God to solve our problems, but our faith needs to be put in man. That is really the fundamental aspect of Humanism is to put your faith in man and not in God.
Nathan Jones: I love this line you have here, the core belief of Humanism is its conviction that man is capable of solving its own problems apart from any supernatural intervention by God. So, basically Humanism then rejects anything supernatural including God, and believes that man can go on their own.
Dr. Reagan: That’s right, yes. And you can–in the book what I do is I try in the very opening to get very specific about this. So I go to the “Humanist Manifest Number One” which was published in 1933, and it was some of the great intellectual luminaries of America behind it. And that particular manifesto I outline in detail about how it rejects God, endorses Evolution, endorses Man as the hope for Man, and goes on and on. And then it was reproduced again I think it was in 1973, the “Second Humanistic Manifesto” the third one in 2003. But this crystalized Humanism in America, and gave them a program to follow in terms of trying to infiltrate American society, and do everything they possible could to divorce us from the Judeo Christian principles that made this nation great. One of the foremost spokesman today, most eloquent is a man by the name of John Dunphy who is the owner of a second hand bookstore up in Alton, IL I believe it is. And he has been very eloquent and won essay contest, after contest. I want to read one paragraph written–taken from one of his essays in 2006 in which he says, “I don’t care to live in a nation in which Genesis will someday be uniformly taught as quote ‘Creation Science,’ abortion is criminalized, little girls are socialized for careers as housekeepers and baby machines, and homosexuality is again stigmatized as a perversion and a mental illness. I don’t want an America in which the cross replaces the flag as the national symbol, and the Bible becomes the law of the land.” Now, I tell you these people are, they are focused, they are determined to do everything they possibly can to undermine the Judeo-Christian principles that made this country great. And let me tell you they have been very, very successful.
Nathan Jones: Now, in the end times it says that the love of Humanism will create three particular loves of Humanism. How is that defined? Humanism is defined by a love of not God, but?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, well, all of this is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy because first of all Jesus says that in the end times society will become as immoral and violent as it was in the days of Noah, and we are seeing that. But Paul really zeroed in on this in 2 Timothy 3 where he said, there will be three things people will love in the end times. They will love money. They will love themselves. They will love you know Man, and they will love pleasure.
Nathan Jones: Pleasure.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, well the love of man is Humanism. That’s where we are. They put their faith in mankind. Anytime that is your religion, your God will always become money, and that is Materialism. Humanism always leads to Materialism. And then the third aspect of that is always the development of a lifestyle of Hedonism, so that your lifestyle becomes one of seeking pleasure. So your religions is Humanism, your god is money, and your lifestyle is Hedonism, but God cannot be mocked, and so when that happens there is always a payoff, and the payoff is what I call Nihilism which is simply a $64 philosophical word for despair. And that’s why we find so many people in this nation today literally wallowing in despair; trying to seek the meaning of life in drugs, in sex, in pornography, and you know anything they can find that has–try to fill that void in their life that can only be filled by the Lord Jesus Christ. So, that is where we are today in this fight. It is a great cultural war that began in the early part of this century that climaxed literally in the 1960’s and since that time we’ve been on the downhill slope because we have lost the culture war in this nation.
Nathan Jones: Oh, we have. I would not even say that we are a Christian nation anymore, definitely a Post-Christian nation.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, they have been very successful in that, and that’s what gets me into the second aspect of the book about the prophetic voices that God has raised up to speak up against this.
Nathan Jones: Now, I come from a frozen chosen background. When you say prophetic voices are you talking about new prophecies, or are you talking about, define prophetic for me because I’m trying to understand.
Dr. Reagan: I’m talking about voices that take the Word of God and apply it to society. That is a prophetic work where you take the Word of God and you apply it to abortion, you apply it to the debt, the problems of society. But there are also situations where God will give somebody a vision about something that is going to happen in the future.
Nathan Jones: OK. Well, let’s take a brief break at this point and when we return I’d like to ask you to start identifying the prophetic voices you feature in this book.
Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy, and my interview of Dr. David Reagan concerning his newest book, “God’s Prophetic Voices to America.” Now, Dave, you identify 13 prophetic voices; 4 in the past, and the rest are present. Can you please name the four?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, the four that I identify in the past are: Peter Marshall, and David Wilkerson, Francis Schaeffer, and believe it or not Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Nathan Jones: Well, say that five times fast. Tell us a little then about Peter Marshall, who is he and what was his message that God gave him?
Dr. Reagan: Ok, well Peter Marshall is the one I began with and he was one of the most eloquent preachers to ever be on the American scene. He came here when he was 25 years old from Scotland. He went to a seminary in Georgia. And by the time he graduated he was so eloquent in his preaching that he was immediately offered major positions all over the country. He ended up at the New York Presbyterian Church in Washington D.C. which is known as the Church of the Presidents. He later while serving that church became the chaplain to the US Senate, so he was a marvelous speaker.
Nathan Jones: They even made a movie about his life, didn’t they?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, “The Man Called Peter.”
Nathan Jones: And we had his son here for a show.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, so, he is quite a guy. And what happened was that in 1944 near the end of World War II at the height of when we were becoming the great world power he went to a church in New Orleans and delivered a phenomenal sermon, “Trial by Fire” was the name of it. It was a sermon about Elijah’s confrontation with the prophets of Baal. And in that sermon he expressed a tremendous anxiety and concern about where American society was going.
Nathan Jones: This is in the 40’s, even in the 40’s, ok.
Dr. Reagan: Well, yes, in 1944 he was saying I think that we are headed toward a secular, paganized, materialistic society. He said I can see us heading in that direction, and he said it is going to get worse after the war when suddenly people can spend their money on consumer goods which they couldn’t during the war. And he said we’re just going to move in that direction and we need–well he ended the sermon with this comment he said, “We need a prophet; a prophet who will have the ear of America and say to her, ‘How long will you halt and stand between two opinion? If the Lord be God follow Him, Yahweh, but if Baal be god follow him and go to Hell.'” Wow!
Nathan Jones: That’s strong.
Dr. Reagan: Well, that was strong. And so he called for a prophet to speak to America and it took another 30 years before that prophet.
Nathan Jones: Ok, well who was that? I assume they are second voice?
Dr. Reagan: And that prophet was of all people David Wilkerson. I never cease to be amazed at the people God anoints for this.
Nathan Jones: He is famous for the “Cross and the Switchblade” which was also a movie, right?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, Dave Wilkerson was the son of a Pentecostal pastor. He grew up in the church in Pennsylvania in a rural area really. And he felt the call of God to go to New York City of all places. He went there and he had tremendous experiences in ministering to gang members.
Nathan Jones: Oh, it is one of my favorite books.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah. It ended a book, “The Sword and the Switchblade” which was made into a movie.
Nathan Jones: “Cross and the Switchblade,” yeah.
Dr. Reagan: He became a famous person. And then in 1974 he enraged the Pentecostal society in America with this book “The Vision” because it was a heavy book, it was a book about the impending wrath of God. And they were preaching at a time a great end time revival, a great revival was going to sweep the nation. He said, “No, it’s not. It is going to be like what the Bible says it is going to get worse and worse.” And he said, “I’ve had a vision.” And he started off the book by saying, “I know people will get upset when I say I’ve had a vision,” but he said, “you got to remember Joel chapter 2 says in the end times God is going to anoint both old and young men and women and give them visions and dreams.” And he said, “I’ve had a vision.” And he started off the vision in a most unusual way he said, “I want to tell you the main thing that God is going to do,” he said, “since money has become our God; God is going to touch our money.” And so he started off by saying that the first thing that he saw in his vision was that a worldwide economic confusion. He says, “It’s not really a depression I see coming, but a recession of such magnitude that it will affect the lifestyle of every wage earner in America and around the world. And that recession occurred in 2008, this is 1974. And he said, “As a result of this recession,” he said, “many of the major corporations in America will declare bankruptcy and as a result of this recession there will be a political earthquake like we’ve never seen before.” Which is exactly what happened in 2008 as a result of that Bush–Obama was elected and we had a political earthquake in this nation. He went on to talk about an onslaught of smut, of filth on television and movies that would come up on our nation. And so as a result of that I called him a voice warning America in 1970. But he wasn’t the only one God raised up.
Nathan Jones: Right, right, get to my favorite one because this–France Schaeffer, I love Frances Schaeffer, back in college we had to read “How Should we then Live?”
Dr. Reagan: And all of these are now at the same time.
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Same time 1974. Schaeffer was an eccentric guy who had gone to–
Nathan Jones: Birkenstocks, right?
Dr. Reagan: Yeah he was a theologian, an intellectual. He had gone to Switzerland, was living there. But in the mid 70’s he felt a call of God to come back to this nation. And he came back and he recorded a documentary film that was a blockbuster called, “How Should we then Live.” And this was released across the United States, it was a tremendous attack on Humanism saying that we have become a humanistic society, that we have given our soul to materialism that God is going to pour out His wrath upon us if we don’t repent. So the same kind of message that Dave Wilkerson was giving. And he followed it up in one book called, “The Christian Manifesto” again in which he talked about Humanism and Materialism. And finally in a book called, “The Great Evangelical Disaster” in which he talked about how the church was full of apostasy and how we were moving away from the Word of God.
Nathan Jones: He was an incredible intellect. I remember our church hosting that video, I saw it at 14, and again we read it in college. And to this day my son reads it. Very impressive. But let’s get to the fourth one because it is the most difficult to pronounce, but this man is not only world famous he is a Noble Prize winning author, he is a Russian novelist, but he is a Russian novelist giving a warning to America?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, yeah, this is probably the most surprising person in the book, he would say, “What do you mean he’s a prophetic voice to America?” Well, he came on the world scene in 1962 when he wrote a book about one day in the life of a prisoner in the prison camps, which was really one day in his life because he spent years in the prison camps.
Nathan Jones: In the gulag?
Dr. Reagan: Then he became extremely world famous in 1973 when he published the gulag series of books about the tremendous prison camps spread all across Russia. And as a result of that he won the Noble Prize in Literature, and Russia deported him in 1974, they kicked him out of the country. He wandered around Europe for a while, but of all things he ended up in Vermont, living in Vermont in almost seclusion there. And he lived there for three years until 1978 when Harvard University invited him to come and give the speech at their commencement ceremonies. Harvard expected him to get up and blast Communism, and talk about the glory of the West. He arrived a hero, he left a pariah.
Nathan Jones: Pariah, right. What did he say?
Dr. Reagan: Because he got up and attacked American society. He said, “Listen this society is following in the path of Russia. This society is giving its soul to money.” And he said, “Money leads to spiritual poverty.” And he says, “You’ve got to reject Humanism and what humanism–” Listen the Harvard faculty was booing him during this. I mean they couldn’t believe this man was attacking what they believed in, but he did. And then three years later when he was given the Templeton Prize for excellence in religion he gave his most powerful speech of all. And in that speech he started out by talking about when he was a child he overheard people talking about what had happened in Russia. Here is what he said, “More than half a century ago while I was still a child I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia; men have forgotten God and that is why all this has happened.”
Nathan Jones: Was he Believer? I know the first three definitely were.
Dr. Reagan: Oh, he was a Believer, he was raised in the Orthodox Church. He returned to the church later in his life. And at this time he was very definitely a Believer. And what he was saying to America is you have done the same thing that happened in Russia: you have forgotten God. You have elevated Man, and he said that point blank, and you put your faith in man, when you faith should be placed in God. And he said, “You’re going to pay the consequences if you don’t return to God.” Very, great and strong prophetic voice to America.
Nathan Jones: Those are four powerful messages.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, and then the second part of the book, third part of the book has to do with seven–or nine prophetic voices God has raised up and are active in America today.
Nathan Jones: Ok, well, let’s take a back and we’ll go back to those nine. And I am going go then ask Dr. Reagan to identify these nine and we’ll get into them and see what their messages are and how they are active on the scene today.
Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and my interview with Dr. David Regan about his newest book titled, “God’s Prophetic Voices to America.” Ok, Dave, we covered 13 prophetic voices; 4 in the past, 9 are actually active and working today. Could you please list 9 and tell me what your favorite one is.
Dr. Reagan: Ok.
Nathan Jones: Maybe you shouldn’t because they are all active today.
Dr. Reagan: Well–
Nathan Jones: Whose message impacted you the most? How’s that?
Dr. Reagan: Ok, well first of all I start with Donald Wildmon who formed the American Family Association back also in the mid 70’s just as God was raising up these other voices that are now no longer on the scene. And it was an amazing thing, I mean he was just watching TV one night.
Nathan Jones: He was just a pastor right?
Dr. Reagan: A country pastor from Tupelo, Mississippi, and he’s watching TV one night and he goes to the three major channels which were about all you had at that time, and they all had horrible things on. So, he just got so upset that he the next day wrote a little press release and sent it to the papers in Memphis, Tennessee the biggest city close to him and said, “Why doesn’t everybody just turn off their TV sets for a week?” And suddenly as he said, “The Associated Press must not have had anything to do that day,” because the next thing he knew his phone was ringing off the hook. And people were calling him all over the nation saying, “We’re going to turn our TV sets off for a week.” And bang, the whole thing began. He resigned as a pastor, began this ministry and he’s been on the frontlines ever since then. He is God’s voice crying for decency in this nation. His son has now succeeded him but Don Wildmon is still writing. Another one I mention is Erwin Lutzer who is a Canadian who came to America and became the pastor of the great Moody Church in Chicago, and I call him a voice emphasizing the evil of man. You see one of the fundamental cornerstones of Humanism is a belief in the goodness of man. The Bible says, no, that the heart of man is just horribly corrupt, and that we have to realize that, and we should not put our trust in anyone except God himself. But no Humanist say, no, we are basically good. So, he emphasizes the evil of Man and he has done that powerfully in his sermons and his books.
Nathan Jones: Oh, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Then David Jeremiah one of the best know preachers in America.
Nathan Jones: Oh, yes, I love his writings.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, he is a voice decrying rebellion. He wrote a book about I can’t believe what’s going on, “I Never Thought I’d Live to see the Day When,” and he just lists one thing after another, after another that has happened in this society as we have become more humanistic and materialistic. Then Bill Koenig; Bill is a business man from Phoenix, Arizona who came to Dallas as a Real Estate developer. Had a radical conversion experience here, he’d gone to church all his life but it was churches that believe anything. And suddenly he finds out that God is real, he gives his life to Christ, and the Lord anoints him immediately with a voice to speak out concerning Israel. And so I call him the voice of warning concerning Israel.
Nathan Jones: And where does he focus? He’s at the White House, right?
Dr. Reagan: Well, yeah, he is now a full-time White House correspondent in Washington, D.C. of all things.
Nathan Jones: So, he is the voice of the President, ear of the President.
Dr. Reagan: Yes, so he really is one speaking out warning this nation that we better treat Israel right or God will really destroy this nation. And then there is Jan Markell who is as Messianic Jew, a good friend of ours. Jan is a tremendous spokesman for the Lord. She is in Minneapolis, Minnesota and she has a ministry called Olive Tree Ministries. I call her the voice denouncing apostasy. Being an orthodox–I mean Messianic Jew of course she is concerned about Israel and she write a lot about Israel. But mainly her focus today is on the apostasy in the Church, and how the Church is being destroyed by the Emergent Church Movement. And how the Church has wandered away from the fundamental doctrines of the faith. And the weakness of the Church is resulting in the weakness of our society.
Nathan Jones: So, prophetic voices can be male and female?
Dr. Reagan: Oh, yes, absolutely. And then Albert Mohler, Jr.
Nathan Jones: Oh, yeah, my old president when I was at Southern.
Dr. Reagan: A very tough read. Albert Mohler, I tell you trying to read his articles and his books was a real challenge for me.
Nathan Jones: He is a super intellect, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Because he is a great intellect. And I called him a voice confronting intellectuals. He’s God’s voice confronting intellectuals. Somebody has to confront the intellectuals in this nation, and so God is using him mightily. He’s considered to be the foremost spokesman for Evangelical Christianity in America. He’s the one that the Press usually goes to if they want to get an evangelical perspective. And he is very good at that, and he is very needed, but the average person would not be able to understand most of what he’s saying.
Nathan Jones: Take one of his classes.
Dr. Reagan: But then–oh, ok–and then Franklin Graham, man he is one of my heroes of the faith.
Nathan Jones: Oh, wow.
Dr. Reagan: This is the guy who is on the cutting edge. He is out there fighting Humanism with everything he’s got. He unlike his father who really wanted to be liked by everyone and who was a great evangelist, but not a prophetic speaker. He is the exact opposite; he’s on the cutting edge, he says things that just drive people up the wall.
Nathan Jones: He led prayer in all 50 states, right, in the last election?
Dr. Reagan: I believe with all my heart that one of the reasons that Trump was elected, one of the main reasons was because this man, Franklin Graham said, “I’m going to go to every state in the nation and we are going to hold a prayer meeting at the state capital. And we’re going to pray for God to spare this nation from His wrath, because we are literally begging for the wrath of God.”
Nathan Jones: Like Moses did for the Israelites, Franklin Graham has done for us.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, and I think that is one of the reasons Trump was elected was because Franklin Graham was out there on the front lines–and he said very clearly, “Hey, I don’t believe our hope is Republicans. I don’t think our hope is Democrats. Our only hope is Jesus Christ, we must put our hope in Him and we must pray for God to have some mercy on this nation.”
Nathan Jones: Amen.
Dr. Reagan: So, he wasn’t out there campaigning for Trump.
Nathan Jones: Then our own Robert Jeffress, right?
Dr. Reagan: Robert Jeffress another good friend of us, and this ministry.
Nathan Jones: Local.
Dr. Reagan: A wonderful man of God. And Robert Jeffress is a voice warning of impending judgment. He gave one of the greatest speeches I ever heard on this at one of our conference in the past years. I’ve heard it give it many times, but it’s a tremendous–he’s just saying.
Nathan Jones: The exploding building right?
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, he’s talking about how this nation has dug its own grave primarily through Supreme Court decisions; one after another, after another, after another, and he says these are little implosions going off in the big impending destruction that’s coming. Like blowing up a building, you blow this one, and this one, and then there’s a–
Nathan Jones: We’re at that little silence, see I always remember that, before the building starts coming down.
Dr. Reagan: Yup, and then all of sudden it starts coming down. And then the final voice I mention is one of the most controversial in America today and that is Jonathan Cahn who is a Messianic Rabbi from New Jersey; a voice declaring impending destruction. He is saying that we have gone beyond the point of no return that we are on the point of really experiencing the destruction of God. So, these are the voices that I mention, the nine that are active today. What I do in each chapter is give you some background about them and their life, where they came from. And then I give you snippets of what they are saying today, and summarize all that.
Nathan Jones: Well it is a book full of biographies, great stories, a great read. Dave I want to read one particular paragraph that you leave us with about the cause of why Humanism is so prevalent today. You say, “It was not due to the attacks of the secularists, the humanists, the atheists, or the sexual libertarians, no it is due to the failure of the church to preach the Gospel, call people to repentance, and stand for righteousness. In short the church has sought popular approval, and in the process it has gotten in bed with the world.”
Dr. Reagan: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: Is that why we have Humanism so prevalent today? You blame the church?
Dr. Reagan: Yes, the church is seeking the approval of the world. And Jesus was constantly persecuted and He said anybody who stands for me, and stands for my Word is going to be persecuted, they aren’t going to be liked by the world. And yet the church wants to be liked by the world.
Nathan Jones: So the church rolled over, fell asleep, and then Humanism arose.
Dr. Reagan: And I end the book with a chapter entitled, “Is America Doomed?”
Nathan Jones: That is a good question.
Dr. Reagan: In which I try to, I summarize a lot of what was said, and I put in my own opinions. And basically I point out that yes, God has given us a window of opportunity with President Trump, but He’s given us that before with Reagan.
Nathan Jones: Oh, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: And yet, as soon as Reagan was out of office we picked up where we left off and accelerated, accelerated in our deterioration in this nation. And I expect that to occur when Trump is out of office. Because you know people say, “Well, no, we are going to change our course.” I don’t think so at all.
Nathan Jones: Really?
Dr. Reagan: And let me point out some things that some people forget. After the most ungodly administration in American history Obama left office with a 60% approval rate. After the most ungodly administration in American history his successor, his designated successor, Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. After the most ungodly administration in history the Millennials, the hope of our nation, the future of our nation 18-29 year olds, supported out-and-out Socialist, and voted overwhelmingly for Hillary.
Nathan Jones: Bernie Sanders.
Dr. Reagan: But even worse the Barna polls are showing that only 9% of American’s have a biblical view, a biblical worldview, 9% and only 17% of those who profess to be Christians. We have evangelicals saying Jesus sinned, there is no such thing as Satan.
Nathan Jones: Well fortunately there are nations during the Millennial Kingdom, hopefully America can go through the fires of the Tribulation and be a nation again, but you’re saying definitely not in this day and age?
Dr. Reagan: No, but I’m saying that there is good news, the good news is the rapture of the church. The good news is that Jesus is still available for those who don’t know Him. There is hope for both believers and unbelievers.
Nathan Jones: That’s a powerful message Dr. Reagan. Well, that’s our program this week folks, I hope it’s been a blessing to you and I hope you will order a couple of copies of Dr. Reagan’s newest book; one for yourself and please one for your pastor, he needs to hear this message. I hope too that you will be back with us again next week, the Lord willing, until then this is Nathan Jones speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries, saying, “Look up, be watchful, for our redemption is drawing near.”
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