The Future Digital World Order with Dr. Ron Rhodes

Part 2

Tim Moore: All right, Nathan, you are our internet evangelist. So, what anecdotal evidence do you have that the Digital World Order is already here and that the future is today?

Nathan Jones: Okay, well, if you go on YouTube, look up the video of San Francisco three days before the giant earthquake in 1906. And there’s a camera on a, I guess it’s a trolley, and it’s going down the street and filming everything. That’s about as high-tech as they had back in 1906. We are now 120 years later. We have gone to the moon. We are going back to the moon. We have two probes that are outside of our solar system. We have connections where I can pick up my phone here and I can call anybody at anytime, anywhere. And if there’s a language barrier, there’s a translation app to it. YouTube now has translation apps.

I mean, compare the technology we have from now to what the world was like just 100 years ago. And that’s called the exponential curve. As each new technological innovation is created on the backs of the others, it starts climbing not just like in a diagonal line, but increasingly. And Tim, we are right up that exponential curve in learning, in computer systems and technology. It’s all on that exponential curve.

Tim Moore: It certainly is. You know, I was at an airport terminal recently. I spent a lot of time there traveling to conferences and other places, and I watched as a robotic vacuum came down the terminal, vacuuming and going around chairs, going around people. And I thought, wow, in the past, there would’ve been a human being that was running a vacuum, typically at night, but now this Roomba, and this was a large version of it, was constantly vacuuming, even scrubbing the floors.

And I realized that we’re seeing, as you said, this leap in technology. But we’re not talking about simple robot vacuums that are really a threat to humanity. We’re also seeing technology that many say will soon make human jobs obsolete or even threaten human beings themselves.

Nathan Jones: Right, but we’ve got to remember that technology is really just our ability to solve problems and make things. So, technology in and of itself isn’t a bad thing. How it’s used is a bad thing.

For instance, here in the Dallas area, we get to be on the ground floor of Walmart releasing their drone delivery technology. And it seems like everybody in my neighborhood wants them to have a drone come. And it stops up above their house, and then a little zipline comes down and drops a bag back. Good technology.

Take that same drone, put a camera on it, have it spy on everybody, put a missile or a gun on it, have it shoot people, that’s when we use technology for negative. So, I want to make sure, and I think Ron did a great job here of explaining that technology in and of itself could be a good thing, but it really depends on who’s wheeling it.

Tim Moore: You know, technology could be as simple as moving from a flathead screwdriver to a Phillips head screwdriver.

Nathan Jones: That’s technology…

Tim Moore: That was a technological advancement that made it much easier to keep the screwdriver head in the screw. But then they moved from a manual screwdriver to an electric screwdriver. And folks, I would not go back to a manual myself because I do a lot of handy manning.

But we’re seeing a different kind of acceleration in technology. As you said, this quantum leaf, this exponential curve. And across America right now, there are communities that are grappling with the opportunity, or some perceive the threat of data centers. And so, they’re proliferating. And folks, there’s a reason why you can go to your phone or your device and find out how to get from point A to point B or what the price of corn is or anything else. You can get all the information in the world and even make cute, funny videos because of these data centers.

Are they the threat that people perceive because of the energy they consume, the water they need for cooling? And what else are they being used for, Nathan? Because this is a hot-button issue right now.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, no matter what you and I say, people are going to write in and be mad at us one way or another. We have in Abilene, just west of Dallas, in this area, there’s a major data center. They’re building one in Amarillo. And there’s… I think it’s going to be the new ecological movement to fight against data centers. It’s now hate on data centers.

But at the same time, you’re right, people want to look up everything on their phones. They want AI to assist them. You have to have the data centers to do it. Now, the question is, they say it’s a big race between the United States and China on data centers. We have 5,200 data centers planned to be put in the United States. In China, only 300. And so, it’s like, wait a minute here. We’ve already won the data center race. So, what is the end goal?

Well, and Ron does this wonderfully in his book, as he points to, what’s the end of technology as the Bible prophesies? Daniel 12:4. In the end times, knowledge and travel would increase greatly, leading up to a system that the antichrist will use to control the world.

As wonderful as it is to find funny cat videos on this, we know that these are monitoring us and the data centers are collecting all this data about us. And for the purpose in the End Times is for a one-world ruler to rule the world, using the technology against us.

Tim Moore: You know, people talk about the flock cameras that are out there now recording our license plate and tracking us. And the reality is, folks, most of us and probably most of you watching today are carrying a device, as Nathan says, that is tracking you all the time. Unless you turn it off or leave it at home, it is monitoring where you go; the things you shop for. I think it’s even listening to us. It is collecting so much information on you that it makes what the government knows about you pale in comparison to what Google or all the other companies know about you, Meta.

And so, they are keeping that data, and they are reselling the data. You know, even on my phone app, Nathan, every week it gives me a free deal where I can get a special, you know, gift or whatever, something free. Well, it’s not really free because I have to download an app and that app is sucking in data and reselling my information to yet another company. So, we are being commoditized as human beings.

Nathan Jones: Oh, absolutely. You know, it’s interesting, I follow “Slashdot,” which keeps up on tech articles every day. I read a few just to keep up. And it was interesting, they were talking about smart televisions, how smart televisions, when you give them a prompt, the prompt stays open for about another 30 seconds. So, it’s recording all that you’re talking about.

I remember my family and I were sitting in front of the TV, and we were talking about going somewhere. And strangely enough, all the ads started being about that place or about cruises or about…

Tim Moore: It’s listening.

Nathan Jones: It was listening. It was building a profile, and then it was selling. You remember the movie Minority Report, probably 20 years ago with Tom Cruise? And as you’re walking down the street, different signs pop up and, you know, they have different advertisements tailored to who you are. And really, that’s what all this tech and all this tracking is, it’s to market you.

You know, there’s even, Tim, now this new thing I was reading about where, based on the router in your house and the devices in your house, it forms a grid that can, as you walk through the house, it creates, like, a little dark zone in it. So now if police want to, they know exactly where you are in your house by using your router.

Tim Moore: They certainly do. And, you know, some of this technology, as you said, is concerning. It seems ominous, but yet some of it is innocuous. Now, there’s an attitude, and we talked about Data Centers. We know that people get very animated about those and they say, “Not in my backyard,” or “Not in my community.” And yet they are job opportunities, at least in the short run.

But I’ll tell you about a young man my wife once taught in our homeschool co-op, who is now the CEO of an upstart company that intends to make small-scale nuclear reactors. This young man decided he didn’t even want to go to college because he had a vision that he wanted to become a nuclear engineer. And so, he did. And many people think that this is the energy source of the future.

I recently saw an interview where this particular young man said that in the next 10 to 15 years, AI use in America will cause our energy needs to double. Now, we cannot do that with wind and solar and all the renewables, and really, we don’t have the coal production anymore to do that, either. The only way we’re going to be able to meet that need is through nuclear energy. And so, we see that a combining need for energy is driving other technologies.

And Isaiah is the perfect example where they’re coming up with ways to very safely make nuclear energy. And I’ve said, bring one of those little reactors to my backyard. As long as I get free power, I’d be glad to have it.

Nathan Jones: I remember when we had a prophecy conference in Pennsylvania a few years ago and we were at the Harrisburg Airport, and you could see Three-Mile Island out there. And that was kind of a lesson like, hey, we shouldn’t be messing with nuclear power, but it runs most of our military, especially the submarines and the aircraft carriers.

They’re reactivating nuclear facilities in Iowa and all over Europe. I think the world sees that it’s a good source when well protected and cared for that can produce a lot of energy. You can’t have all these data centers and all this tech on a grid that we have now that is so antiquated.

Do you remember just a few years ago we had this ice storm here and we thought, T. Boone Pickens thought it’d be great if we shipped all our power from wind farms in West Texas over here to East Texas. And with the cold, it couldn’t happen. And so, these renewables are wonderful things, but I think you’re right, I think nuclear is the future. I also think hydrogen-powered, especially cars, as they’re realizing battery-powered cars, there’s just not enough supplies to make all these batteries, is also the future.

Tim Moore: I rented a car recently. It had just an electric engine, and it had about 250 miles before it needed to be recharged. And the nice thing, because I didn’t plan to even drive that far, is they said you don’t have to refill it or charge it, just bring it back empty. And so, I didn’t even have to find a gas station.

Well, Ron’s book opens with a detailed discussion of Artificial Intelligence and its role in Bible prophecy. So, what are some of the ways that we anticipate the Antichrist and really, any other aspiring dictator who is on the scene today using this technology to control nations and peoples, let alone our buying and selling, as Scripture talks about?

Nathan Jones: Well, I think we can already see it today. And he brings this up in the book, about China’s social credit system. So, they have millions of cameras all over China, and same if you go to London, most of the major cities, and it’s using AI-based tracking software.

It follows you around. And all the different cameras, it builds a profile and it judges your behavior. Is it loyal to the government, or is it against the government? If it’s loyal to the government, your social credit score is higher. You get more privileges. You can travel; you can eat. Excuse me. But if you seem like you’re doing things that might be subvertive to the government, your scores go down. Usually, it’s reporters in China. They can’t travel; they can’t buy stuff. They lose privileges.

Tim, companies are buying this up. Countries are buying this up all over the world. Italy is going to start it. We know Great Britain will, eventually Canada. And I’m sure it will come to the major cities in the United States. Eventually, it will be a global system because we’ve read in Revelation 13 that the Antichrist will control people by their buying and selling.

We saw in Canada when the truckers revolt happened, what did Justin Trudeau do? He cut off all their money and funds. And that’s exactly what we read in the Bible.

Tim Moore: Well, we’re talking a lot about data thus far. And of course, Ron dedicates two of his chapters to Artificial Intelligence. Really, this is the ability to use data and to pull out patterns in the data that is collected that makes the computer smarter than any human can see those patterns in an instant.

And of course, with the rise of quantum computing, and folks, if you haven’t heard about quantum computing, it’s on the micro, not even microscopic, it’s the atomic level of the quantum physics that are involved that makes the computations that much faster and the data storage that much more compact. And ideally, it wouldn’t take all the space nor the energy nor the cooling requirement for electricity.

Nathan Jones: Let’s just say that when the first quantum computer’s built, it’ll be so powerful, it’ll overrun every firewall and every security system in the world. That’s how powerful quantum computing is.

Tim Moore: That’s how powerful they are. But yet there’s also other technologies that we’re seeing. I talked about the robotic vacuum, but Ron talks about companion robots and the algorithms to use those. The military is already expanding its use of robotic kinds of weapons, whether it’s airplanes that will shadow manned aircraft or go instead of manned aircraft to an enemy territory. We have robotic missiles and all sorts of other things like that.

And yet now we’re seeing robots that are coming into a home, sometimes for good. My wife and I joked if they ever get a robot that can mow the grass and wash the dishes and do those menial tasks, we’ll buy one. But yet, it again introduces technology in a way that becomes very insidious and can be threatening in the long run.

Nathan Jones: Absolutely, I think there’s two robots that are really threatening our society right now. And one is Elon Musk’s Optimus robot. $20,000, doesn’t need a healthcare system, comes into your house and does all the things. It goes into your job and does all your work. Would you want to spend 60, $100,000 plus benefits on an employee? Don’t get any ideas. Or would you want to replace them with an Optimus robot?

It’d be kind of cool, replacing us with robots. It’s going to destroy the work structure. And Elon Musk says, “Well, the answer is, “is that everybody gets universal income.” That is a way of controlling the population, the buying and the selling.

The second thing is this obsession, especially in Japan, with sex robots. They’re continually making robots look more and more like women for the purpose of replacing real relationships. And when that happens, the family structure dissolves, and what do you get? The entire collapse of society. And so those two areas are, I think robots are being misused.

Now, if you want to shoot them up in space and do things up there, right. But, you know, are we looking at something like Blade Runner? I don’t think we’re at that level yet.

Tim Moore: Not quite, and yet we do know that there are robots who are doing surgery procedures, and they can carve into someone and do a surgical procedure in a manner that even a human cannot. So, folks, we are at that level of technology today.

Nathan Jones: My daughter’s a nurse, and she was in an OR room assisting a doctor, and the doctor wasn’t working on the patient, he was sitting down inside. It almost looked like a periscope. He put his head in, and he moved the surgical tools in this machine while the robot arms worked. And it was so much more accurate. He got better view. And so, he used a robot to do the surgery he used to do with his hands.

Tim Moore: So that’s the way they are building cars today and even operating on human beings. Let’s give a word to Ron Rhodes, because given that Ron could not be here, I reached out to him and he, again, blessed our willingness to promote his book and to talk about it. He wished he could be here, obviously, but he gave me a statement, and here’s what he said:

“In The Future Digital World Order, I’m sounding the alarm with a smile on my face because, while the world is racing toward a digital future that feels like science fiction, Bible prophecy reminds us that nothing unfolding today is outside the prophetic script God wrote years ago. My friends, as the digital world grows darker, the people of God shine brighter because, as Jesus said, ‘You are the light of the world. Let your light shine before others.’ Let us not forget that the future is not in the hands of algorithms, governments, or global systems, it’s in the hands of God who declares the end from the beginning.”

That is a great and re-encouraging word, or encouraging word, because it reiterates the fact that we are not doom and gloom foresayers. We are declaring that God has foreseen all of these things taking place, and He’s told us what the end will be like. So, we warn people about some technology, but we recognize that Scripture already told us these things would come to pass, the increase in travel and in knowledge or education. I don’t know if we have any increase in wisdom, but certainly in knowledge.

Nathan Jones: No, our knowledge is certainly surpassed. Wisdom has not caught up. We live in a society where we look at a TikTok video and think we’re an expert, like someone with a, you know, like Dr. Rhodes with a doctorate degree. Yeah, it’s pretty bad in that respect.

Tim Moore: Well, Nathan, as a multimedia ministry, obviously you have been instrumental in getting us on the internet and interacting with people. I hope if you haven’t done so already, you’ll visit our website at christinprophecy.org. And Nathan interacts with people every day, but we also use a lot of other graphics, not only in our television program, but also in our magazine in the form often of digital imagery and sometimes the use of three-dimensional kind of imagery or graphics.

And yet we’re seeing more and more of this being AI-generated. So, how do you see this playing out in a ministry like ours?

Nathan Jones: Well, I think what we’re really getting to is 3D interactive is really where it’s going. We see Mark Zuckerberg of Meta has been working on this for years. It hasn’t quite taken off yet, but the idea is that we wear special glasses and we get what’s called augmented reality, where, as you’re looking around, it’s filling in details, giving you information, your email’s popping up.

I think the days of cell phones, big clunky things you carry around, are going to come to an end, and eventually the next step is the glasses. But really, the step after that is what they’re talking about already, is contacts where you’re wearing the tech on your eyes, and that’s the direction they want to go.

But three-dimensional technology, look at Hatsune Miku. She’s a pop star in Japan, right? She’s not real. She’s a hologram with a Vocaloid processor for singing. She’s huge. I’ve got two little nieces who absolutely love her. And yet we read about the Antichrist one day having a living image that the world will worship. And so, it’s wonder is, is it a hologram? Is it possibly a robot? Or is it just an image on the TV or people pull up their phones or future digital eyes or whatever, and see? But we know that that type of technology will be used in the End Times to force the world to worship the Antichrist.

Tim Moore: Yeah, that’s where we’re headed. And there’s actually a country and gospel singer here in the United States who people perhaps are following, young people especially, and he is completely digital. His image is digital, his voice and all of the music is artificially generated, and yet you would think he’s a real person.

So, this is here today, but we know that that’s exactly what the technology that the false prophet will use to create an image of the beast that looks like he’s real. We often thought maybe it’d be a hologram. Well, today we can see all of these digital realities or artificial realities coming to life, and so we think that’s how it’s going to be.

Well, folks, we’re talking about The Future Digital World Order, and we hope that you’ll get a copy of this tremendous book. Ron Rhodes has been such a friend to Lamb & Lion Ministries. He is a prolific writer. We’ve had him on many times. But this book will alert you to the reality of what’s happening around us right now and yet encourage you that Bible prophecy foretold all these things and reaffirms that the Lord wins and therefore we win in the end, so we really do not need to be fearful.

Nathan Jones: Absolutely.

Tim Moore: Well, having said that, Nathan, there are some things that we do need to be aware of, and there are some nefarious actors within the digital realm. Most of our viewers probably know someone who’s been a victim of a cyber-attack, or whose bank account has been cleared out or has had their credit card hacked.

And on top of that, we know that there are maligned states. You think of Iran, North Korea, Russia, that are using digital warfare every day, and they’re trying to spread their either propaganda or take down, you know, our water systems or whatever. And this has been obvious both in Russia’s war with Ukraine and with our conflict, as I said, with Iran and the Middle East. Where is all this going?

Nathan Jones: Well, it’s going to an increased lack of privacy. The days where you could be at home and nobody really knew much about you or what your finances are or what your interests are, are a thing of the past. Because who we are is now a digital profile online, and people want to take advantage of that.

For one, we live in a surveillance state, so no matter where you go, where your car is, you mentioned the flock cameras earlier that are reading license plates, there’s all these different types of technologies that know where we are all the time. Matter of fact, good thing we’re in a metal studio here because they’re not picking up a ping here, but a lot of times people turn their cell phones off and it’s still giving tracking location. So, fear of losing our privacy, but also our identities, Tim. And that’s a big thing right now, is people are stealing our identities. They’re going out, they’re emptying our bank accounts using these false identities. And so, there’s a lot of fear.

And so, as there’s more fear, we want to give up more of our rights for better security until eventually you’re not secure, you’re a slave to whoever is holding those rights.

Tim Moore: You know, and I would dare say this, it’s not just the tracking and all the other things as we give up more and more of our humanity. And so, I’ll use this example. We talked about how robots will replace mankind and we won’t have to work. Well, folks, according to the Scripture, God said we were to work on this earth, we are to labor.

And our labor sometimes has challenges. We have thorns and thistles if we want to plant a garden because of the curse, and yet there’s great blessing in working. We were made to work for the Kingdom of God. And so, if we don’t do any work, we’re not really following the commandment of God, let alone all the other nefarious ways that technology is dehumanizing us.

And yet, I want to cite what Ron said in his statement that we read. Although he, and we, are sounding an alarm, we’re doing so with a smile on our face because Nathan, all of these technologies, as you said early on, also offer us clear opportunities, as well as threats. So, we want to seize and utilize the opportunities even as we try to hold off the threats. And what do we want to do? We want to share the Gospel and proclaim the Good News that Jesus is coming soon.

So, how are we doing that, utilizing technology today?

Nathan Jones: Absolutely. I read a book many years ago by Walt Wilson called The Internet Church, and that’s what gave me a passion for reaching people for Jesus Christ through what at the time was the emerging internet. We can now, I mean, you think about 100 years ago, we would fund a missionary, we’d send them overseas, they disappear for four years, they’d come back, and that was how we reached people for Christ.

Now, Tim, in the last 30, 40 years, you can pick up a phone, get on your computer, get on your app, get on YouTube, talk to people, share the Gospel, put out media, you know, reach people that have never been reached before. Our translator, Spanish translator, Donald Dolmus, is so excited because he wrote me this week and says, “I watch all your videos in Spanish now because you can go, and AI will translate.” Unfortunately, it gave myself a woman’s voice, so it’s still a work in progress, but you can get the language barriers.

Tim, the Lord divided the world at the Tower of Babel for the purpose of slowing us down so we wouldn’t develop this kind of technology. We are now overcoming the Tower of Babel, and Ron brings this up in his book very well…

Tim Moore: Yes, he does.

Nathan Jones: That the Lord, as the keeper of knowledge, gives out knowledge when He deems necessary, like the building of the atomic bomb. They were getting all this inspiration. They didn’t know where it came from, but He also knows when to halt it before mankind destroys ourselves. I think replacing entire world with robots and AI taking over everything, there’s going to be a time when the Lord steps in and says, “You’ll destroy yourself, it’s got to stop.”

Tim Moore: Yeah, we do not believe the world’s going to be destroyed by a group of robots or by AI technology…

Nathan Jones: Terminators (laughs)

Tim Moore: Because that’s not what Scripture describes. And so, it is a threat. We have to mitigate the threat, but again, we believe that we can seize the opportunities. You know, folks, we recognize that a program like this can be kind of overwhelming. We’ve thrown around a lot of technical terms and offered warnings of technology that our grandparents could not have even imagined. And I cannot fathom the changes that our children and grandchildren will experience if the Lord tarries.

But Nathan, to cite a Psalm that I’ve repeated many times, if we go to Psalm 46, the choir director of the Sons of Korah sang this song, “God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore, we will not fear though the earth should change and though the mountains slip into the heart of the sea; though the waters roar and foam, though the mountains quake at its swelling pride.”

No matter what happens all around us in the world, we will not fear because God is our refuge and strength and because He has revealed the end from the beginning and He tells us how it’s all going to culminate.

Nathan Jones: Absolutely, yeah, He’s going to put a stop to it. The ultimate goal of the secular world is immortality apart from God through a higher consciousness by putting our souls into robot bodies or AI systems or whatnot. He’s going to stop that. You know, we can protect ourselves now. For one, limit the exposure that you have to it. Technology can be a good thing but limit the exposure.

Stay in the Bible, stay in the Word of God, that we put our trust in God, not on man’s technology. And three, put yourself, protect yourself, you know, have firewalls and security systems, and have someone to keep you accountable if you’re falling into that trap.

Tim Moore: Yeah and make sure your kids and grandkids are accountable. So, I have paid for all of them to have Covenant Eyes so they can guard their eyes and their hearts from what’s available online. But how can our viewers get a copy of The Future Digital World Order for themselves?

Nathan Jones: Well, we have it here in our own library here at christinprophecy.org. Just click Store, you can find it there. Of course, it’s on Amazon. Harvest House is the publisher and they represent it, as well.

Tim Moore: Well, I hope that you’ll get a copy of this tremendous book by Ron Rhodes or some of the others that we are carrying.

Closing

Tim Moore: But even as we close today, let’s let Ron Rhodes have the last word. So, citing from his own final conclusion, I read:

“We can sum it all up with three words: discernment, delight, and devotion. We must practice discernment in these end times, being sober and alert, watching that we are not deceived. However, we are also to be full of delight, joyful about the Blessed Hope, the wonderful bodies we will receive at the Rapture, our reunion with Christian loved ones, and most importantly, the prospect of being with the Lord forever.”

Finally, we must stay committed to devotion, walking in a way that demonstrates our dedication to the Lord and using our time wisely.

In these prophetic days, may we remain faithful, lifting our eyes up to the heavens, anchoring our hearts in truth, and keeping our lamps burning brightly for the bridegroom’s imminent return. After all, the bridegroom will soon come “for his bride, the church, and I can’t wait!”

Nathan Jones: Well said, and amen, come soon, Lord Jesus.

Tim Moore: Absolutely, and Godspeed!

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