How do you make the book of Revelation easy to understand? Join guest Todd Hampson on the show Christ in Prophecy.
Air Date: March 29, 2020
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Dr. Reagan: A very imaginative, creative and humorous book has recently been published about the meaning of the Book of Revelation. Stay tuned for an interview with its author.
Dr. Reagan: Greetings in the name of Jesus, our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ in Prophecy. My colleague, Nathan Jones, and I have a very special guest today Todd Hampson, who is a very creative artist and excellent writer who has produced a delightful book about the meaning of the book of Revelation. The book is titled, The Non-Prophet’s Guide to the Book of Revelation. Welcome to our program, brother, it is always good to have you here.
Todd Hampson: It’s an honor to be here.
Nathan Jones: Good to have you on.
Todd Hampson: Appreciate it, really do.
Nathan Jones: Well, folks, Todd broke into the field of Bible prophecy scene in 2018 with this book The Non-Prophet’s Guide to the End Times. And as you can see I’m a huge fan of the Non-Prophet.
Dr. Reagan: Don’t you know that guy doesn’t have a clue?
Nathan Jones: He doesn’t have a clue. And that’s the wonderful thing about this book, this guy is clueless when it comes to Bible prophecy. So, through this clueless Non-Prophet’s eyes you can learn about Bible prophecy.
Todd Hampson: That’s right.
Nathan Jones: So, Todd followed up with a second book called, The Non-Prophet’s Guide to the Book of Revelation, which is just chuck full of pictures, and graphics, and charts. And it is written in such a fun way. Todd, could you tell us why did you take that approach?
Todd Hampson: You know I really, I look at it kind of like a missionary, like alright, I want to introduce this topic to a new generation of people. I want to make it accessible to people, even Christians, who have seen it as either too scary, too intimidating, or too confusing. And kind of break it down, break those walls down, and break it down and present in a way that anybody could understand it.
Dr. Reagan: What do you say to people who say, “Well, the book of Revelation is a Chinese puzzle, you have to have a degree, a PhD in Hermeneutics in order to understand it?”
Todd Hampson: Yeah. Well, first I try to relate with them a little bit and kind of acknowledge some of the reasons why that is. The fact that it hasn’t been taught very much. And that the Enemy has done a great job of trying to confuse the matter. But then I point to a few simple things that show them, no, you can understand it. If I can understand it, you can understand it. I am the Non-Prophet. If I can understand it, trust me you can roll your sleeves up and do a little bit of work, you can figure it out.
Nathan Jones: Well, let’s get into the book here. You have such unique titles. And you start one of your introductories, “The Full Picture of Jesus- Meek and Wild.” What does that mean? Meek and Wild?
Todd Hampson: Well, you know we’re all familiar with Jesus the meek, who laid down His life, and came the first time to die for our sins, or Jesus the baby in the manger scene. But most believers I talk to aren’t really familiar with that Jesus that shows up in Revelation chapter 1.
Nathan Jones: What He’s like?
Todd Hampson: He’s got eyes burning of fire, and He really scares John, you know John is really. And He has a voice like of rushing waters. I mean all these powerful things. And then of course at the end of the book He comes back on a war horse, and we’ll talk about that some more.
Dr. Reagan: And even some of the letters that he dictates to the churches are pretty rough.
Todd Hampson: Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Reagan: Either get your act together or else.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely.
Nathan Jones: It’s not the meek and mild Jesus. This is the meek and wild Jesus.
Todd Hampson: Meek and wild Jesus, that’s right.
Nathan Jones: It’s how He should be.
Todd Hampson: He’s a man’s man.
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Todd Hampson: He’s really a man’s man. He is not that soft, gentile Jesus that you see on a lot of old paintings and stuff. He is a rugged warrior, in addition to our Savior who submitted Himself to the Lord for our sake.
Dr. Reagan: What do you say to those people who always are saying, “Well, I just stay clear of the book of Revelation because it is too scary?”
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Todd Hampson: Well, I think they are missing out on a lot. I tell them, “Yes, there are some scary stuff in there, but the important thing is I believe we are raptured out of here before all of that.”
Dr. Reagan: There is only good news for those who are believers.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely. We win in the end.
Dr. Reagan: Amen.
Todd Hampson: It doesn’t get any better than that.
Nathan Jones: Well, Dr. Reagan brought up about these letters to the churches, I guess that is chapter 3, “Seven Overlooked Letters Written to You.” Can you explain the overlooked part, and why they were written to us? Weren’t they written to these churches?
Todd Hampson: That’s a good question. Well, if Revelation is the most overlooked book in the Bible I believe those two chapters are the most overlooked chapters in the Bible.
Nathan Jones: And that’s what? Revelation?
Todd Hampson: Revelation 2 and 3.
Nathan Jones: Two and three.
Todd Hampson: Exactly, because people, you know if they do pick up the book of Revelation they kind of flip past that to get to the action scenes. You know they want to see the crazy stuff, the demonic locust and all the judgments and stuff. But, those seven letters, which were written to literal churches that John oversaw. But they’re also kind of a way that we can evaluate ourselves. The church we go to. The church as a whole.
Dr. Reagan: You might find your church somewhere in those letters.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely, 100%. And it is a healthy evaluation card that you can evaluate yourself on. So, to me those are the most immediately relevant chapters in the book of Revelation for people today.
Nathan Jones: Because each of the churches have a characteristic that we can relate to, right?
Todd Hampson: Absolutely. Some of them He gives rebuke. Some of them He gives commendations. Some of them He gives both. And all of those are things that we can evaluate ourselves by.
Dr. Reagan: Well, your commentary on chapter 4 is titled, “Snatched Away.” What in the world is that all about?
Todd Hampson: Well, really when you think about it, well I believe the opening verses, verses 1-2 in chapter 4 represent the Rapture. It has all the same symbolism of the Rapture that we read.
Dr. Reagan: When John is taken up to heaven.
Todd Hampson: He is taken up to heaven. He hears a trumpet. He says, “Come up here.”
Dr. Reagan: A door opens.
Todd Hampson: A door is opened. From that point forward the candles that were on earth are now in the throne room of God. So, the symbolism supports it, everything supports it. But the reason I call it snatched away is because it really is like the most epoch special ops rescue in the history, in the history of time. It is like God rescues His people out of there like a special op would swoop in with a helicopter and snatch people out.
Nathan Jones: And you don’t even see the Church throughout the rest of the book of Revelation, right?
Todd Hampson: Absolutely.
Nathan Jones: Until?
Dr. Reagan: Until the end.
Nathan Jones: Until the end right.
Todd Hampson: Exactly. Exactly.
Dr. Reagan: But you hear about saints during the Tribulation. Who are they?
Todd Hampson: I personally believe that there are going to be millions, maybe billions of people who are saved after the Rapture, who are Tribulation Era Saints, they are not part of the Church. You know they missed that boat unfortunately.
Dr. Reagan: How can they be saved if the Church is not here?
Nathan Jones: Yeah.
Todd Hampson: Well, we see some strange characters; the two witnesses, 144,000 Jewish witnesses who are like 144,000–
Dr. Reagan: They are sealed right at the beginning.
Todd Hampson: They are sealed right at the beginning. And we have earth–we’ll get into this I’m sure, but the angels who are preaching the Gospel. And of course, all the books and stuff that hopefully will be left behind people will pick up.
Dr. Reagan: There’s also going to be millions of Bibles.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely.
Dr. Reagan: And I tell everybody to write right in the beginning the plan of salvation because people are not going to have time for in depth Bible studies.
Todd Hampson: Amen, that’s a great idea. I mean, and even the people that we talk to. Right now, I’m thinking of five people who know where I stand, who know about these books, that have not received the Lord. But I can almost guarantee if the Rapture were to happen today, tomorrow they would be like, oh, Todd was right, I better study this and get myself right with God. I would rather have them there that way, then not at all. But I would hate for them to have to go through.
Nathan Jones: Amen. I think our ministries biggest impact will probably be after the Rapture as all the materials we left behind in print, and online.
Todd Hampson: That’s powerful.
Nathan Jones: Will reach people for Christ. Well, you got in chapter 6, I saw the movie “Band of Brothers” and I had to do a double take, it’s not “Band of Brothers” it is “Brand of Brothers.”
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, I read it as “Band of Brothers” at first.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, what is that?
Todd Hampson: You know, I guess that is my artist background. I try to trick people a little bit, or get creative and cute with the titles. But it really is, they are sealed or branded.
Nathan Jones: They who?
Todd Hampson: They are sealed.
Nathan Jones: Who are they?
Todd Hampson: Oh, the 144,000. I’m sorry.
Nathan Jones: Okay, that’s what we’re talking about.
Todd Hampson: Yeah, the 144,000. I call them 144,000 Jewish Billy Grahams or Apostle Pauls.
Dr. Reagan: That’s right.
Todd Hampson: I mean they are going to be powerful evangelists, and they are sealed and protected.
Nathan Jones: They are sealed by an angel too, aren’t they?
Todd Hampson: Sealed by an angel.
Nathan Jones: Oh, that’s wild.
Todd Hampson: You should know about that with your recent book. Little plug there from me.
Nathan Jones: Thank you.
Todd Hampson: You’re welcome. But, yeah, it is a powerful thing. And the reason I say brand is when you think of a brand, even if you are thinking of logo, but it really goes back to when people would brand their animals. And it’s not the brand that makes them so special, it is the authority behind the brand, and that’s why I called it brand of brothers.
Nathan Jones: Well, when the angel brands 144,000 Jewish evangelist do you think that everybody can see that mark on their head?
Todd Hampson: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: And what do you think that mark is?
Todd Hampson: I don’t know. I haven’t thought much about that. But I tend to think it will be a physical mark that people could see. And I think the enemy will try to hurt them and be frustrated when he can’t.
Nathan Jones: They are unkillable.
Todd Hampson: Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Many years ago, the number one Messianic Jew in the United States in terms of outreach and people knowing him was Zola Levitt. And I called Zola one day and I said, “What about those 144,000 Jews? What do you think they’re going to do?” He said, “Man, they are going to be Billy Grahams. They are going to proclaim the Gospel all over the world.” He said, “We are going to convert more people, those guys, more people during the Tribulation then you Gentiles have done in 2,000 years.” I said, “Why do you say that?” He said, “Haven’t you ever met a Jew?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “Have you ever understood what kind of personality we have?”
Todd Hampson: Tenacious, right?
Nathan Jones: Tenacious is a good word.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah. He said, “We are the world’s super salesmen.” He said, “During that Tribulation we are going to push them up in the corner and hold them by the neck until they say Jesus.”
Todd Hampson: That’s a powerful statement because if you think about it obviously that’s also going to be when the population, the world population, is bigger than it’s ever been before. So, in that condensed period of time.
Nathan Jones: Speaking of world population, I’m sorry. Chapter 7 says, “The Paranormal Becomes the New Normal.” This is a chapter that is a dark chapter, but it seems that the world population is going to turn to the paranormal, but also see the paranormal?
Todd Hampson: Yes.
Nathan Jones: Explain that if you would.
Todd Hampson: The judgments prior to that are more kind of God, I mean God is definitely involved, Jesus is opening the seals, so it is definitely the Tribulation.
Nathan Jones: The wrath of God.
Todd Hampson: The wrath of God. But it is almost like He’s like, okay, you wanted a world government, you wanted to do all this stuff, have at it. And it is just complete chaos, and then of course you have some natural, supernatural events. But when you get to this point in the book the paranormal becomes the new normal in the sense that there’s demonic angels. There are demonic armies.
Nathan Jones: We are talking about the Trumpet Judgments.
Todd Hampson: Trumpet Judgments, yes sir, yeah. So, that veil between the seen and the unsee realm is just like worn thin, and they kind of merge at that point.
Nathan Jones: What are these demons like? Because you draw them. And I was very interested in seeing how you would draw. He’s got real pictures in here that he drew of what your interpretation of them would be.
Todd Hampson: Yeah, I didn’t want to make them 100% accurate since it is a cartoon, I tried to cartoonize it a little bit. But I wanted to at least take a crack at it based on the biblical description what they would look like.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, the locusts are wild to try to explain.
Todd Hampson: Yeah, they really are. And poor John when he tried to explain them he kept saying, “It’s like this. It’s like that.” You know he was trying to describe stuff he had never seen before.
Dr. Reagan: What would you say to somebody would be the key to understanding the book of Revelation?
Todd Hampson: You know I think for me personally what really unlocked it for me, and this is what I share with people is, it’s literal future revelation. You interpret it literally, just like you do the rest of scripture. Not that there’s not symbolism. Not that there’s not allegory.
Dr. Reagan: But even symbols have a literal meaning.
Todd Hampson: Exactly. And the 404 verses of Revelation have over 800 direct references to the Old Testament and that’s where you find the meaning to the symbols. So, it automatically makes you understand the Old Testament better.
Dr. Reagan: Which points to another key to understanding the book of Revelation. I would agree that taking a plan sense approach. The plain sense makes sense don’t look for any other sense. But I would also say that another key is reading the Old Testament, knowing the Old Testament.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely.
Dr. Reagan: Because with the Old Testament you can understand this.
Todd Hampson: It breaks my heart. There have been a few movements recently kind of in my generation of churches that are really discounting the Old Testament.
Dr. Reagan: Oh, yes.
Todd Hampson: And it breaks my heart, because it is so rich, that’s the base for everything that we do. And you cannot understand the book of Revelation if you don’t understand the Old Testament, you know.
Nathan Jones: Well, you even taught us an art tactic, the vanishing point to explain why we need to go to the Old Testament to understand. And the vanishing point is?
Todd Hampson: Jesus.
Nathan Jones: Jesus Christ.
Todd Hampson: Everything points to Jesus, cover to cover. Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah, in fact the book of Revelation says over in Revelation 19 in verse 10 which is my favorite verse in the whole book. It says that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Todd Hampson: That’s the crux of it right there, absolutely.
Dr. Reagan: And when you take your focus off Him, you’re off base.
Todd Hampson: That’s right. That’s it.
Dr. Reagan: Well, folks, this brings us to the middle of the Tribulation, in what Todd calls the tipping point. We are going to take a brief break and when we come back we are going to ask Todd, “What in the world he means by the tipping point?”
Nathan Jones: Welcome back to Christ in Prophecy and our interview with Todd Hampson about his new and very clever book about how to understand the book of Revelation. Well, Todd I want to get back to your great book, The Non-Prophet’s Guide to the Book of Revelation. And you have a chapter called, “The Tipping Point.” What is the tipping point?
Todd Hampson: So, the tipping point is kind of the mid-Tribulation part.
Nathan Jones: We’re how many years in then?
Todd Hampson: So, you are three-and-a-half years into the seven year Tribulation, and all kinds of key things happen. Among them the Antichrist breaks his treaty with the Jewish people. So, the Tribulation starts with the signing of a seven year treaty, and he breaks it in the middle and turns on them. And you have the abomination of desolation and stuff like that. And he goes after them, as opposed to protecting them and keeping them safe, now, he turns on them and is literally trying to go after them. Trying to destroy them. So, really that’s the great Tribulation, the part where he is really is going after them trying to destroy the Jewish people.
Nathan Jones: So, as terrible as the first half was, we are talking about the second half being worse, and focused on the Jewish people.
Todd Hampson: Even worse, absolutely. Yeah. And it’s almost like he’s tried to align and do things his way, kind of under the radar so to speak, even though all kinds of crazy stuff is going on. But now he’s like alright I’m just, I’m going straight after them.
Nathan Jones: The mask was off.
Todd Hampson: The mask is off.
Nathan Jones: Well he is possessed by Satan by that point.
Todd Hampson: He’s literally possessed by Satan, right. He dies or fakes dies, I’m not sure which. But has a resurrection or a faux resurrection. And then as Satan enters him, himself just like he did with Judas, and then he goes after the Jewish people.
Dr. Reagan: Okay, that brings us to the next question because your next chapter is titled, “The Unholy Fake Trinity.” What in the world do you have in mind there?
Todd Hampson: Well, Satan is a master counterfeiter, he is so jealous of God he tries to counterfeit everything that He does. And we find here including the Trinity. So, you have the unholy fake trinity of Satan, or the dragon, the false prophet, and the Antichrist. So, the false prophet is kind of like the Holy Spirit. The Antichrist is kind of like the Son, Jesus. And then Satan of course is trying to mimic the Father.
Dr. Reagan: Nathan, we recently published a book of yours about the mighty angels of Revelation, so why don’t you ask him the next question we were going to do.
Nathan Jones: Yeah, I mean I perk up because there are 72 groups of angels, or specific angels mentioned in the book of Revelation, so I co-wrote a book on that. And then I get to your chapter 12 here, “Three Earth Circling Angels and Seven Angry Bowls.” And of course, immediately my mind perks up, I want to know all about that chapter.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely. Well, I’ll go to the bowls first, that’s the last set of judgments are the bowl judgments.
Nathan Jones: Okay, seven?
Todd Hampson: So, we’ve got seven seal judgments. Seven trumpet judgments. And then seven bowl judgements.
Nathan Jones: Okay, so, 21 altogether.
Todd Hampson: Twenty-one all together. And my take is that it seems logical that those seven are in the second half because it is after the mid-Trib events. But along with that you have these three earth circling angels. And I call them earth circling because it literally says they fly around the earth preaching the everlasting Gospel, and also giving kind of a proclamation that Babylon is doomed, that the beast system is about to be destroyed. And also, he gives them, one angel, gives them practical advice, “Don’t take the mark of the beast. Don’t join sides with the wrong side.” So, to speak. So, but literally God pulls out all stops to make sure everyone has heard the Gospel even in the middle of the Tribulation and God’s judgment.
Nathan Jones: And they cry, “Woe, woe, woe” because of the last of three judgments coming.
Todd Hampson: Yeah.
Nathan Jones: Which, yeah, they are pretty horrific. And that’s why the bowls are angry?
Todd Hampson: Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Dr. Reagan: Well, your next chapter is titled, “The End of Babylon’s Babbling.” Did you eat some bad pizza and wake up in the middle of the night and suddenly come up with all these chapter titles?
Todd Hampson: Artists are strange people, man, we just come up with some funny ideas.
Dr. Reagan: Well, what do you mean by the end of Babylon babbling?
Todd Hampson: So, of course you know when people use the word babble, it stems back to Babylon when the one iteration where God spread the people out.
Nathan Jones: Oh, the Tower of Babel?
Todd Hampson: The Tower of Babel. And people confused the languages and that kind of thing. So, that is kind of where the word babble comes from. And but really when you look in scripture Babylon from the first time it shows up, whether it is Nimrod, or even Nebuchadnezzar it is evil proliferates around the world from Babylon. That Babylonian occult system has spread all throughout the world and is going to be into the end times. And basically, there are two chapters where God choose the destruction of both the religious and political Babylon.
Nathan Jones: Okay. Then you have “The Return of the Warrior King.” I think of the Lord of the Rings movie, “The Return of the King.” But you have the return of the Warrior? Is that because of copyright infringement, or are you trying to say something there?
Todd Hampson: Well, I was playing off of that for sure, “Return of the King.” People are familiar with that term if they’ve seen that movie. But I wanted to put warrior in there because He shows that He has a robe dipped in blood.
Nathan Jones: This is Jesus.
Todd Hampson: This is Jesus, shows up, the sky cracks, bright heavenly light shines through the darkness.
Nathan Jones: There is some sign in the sky too that’s never been seen before, right? It is like a day unlike any other day.
Todd Hampson: Absolutely. And I’ve read a few different, I haven’t studied that in depth, but it sounds like leading up to that the world is just pitch black, the world is dark. And then I don’t know if that is a cross or if it is just the heavenly light piercing through the veil as He comes through on a war horse with us following behind Him.
Dr. Reagan: The commentary that I wrote on the book of Revelation I titled, “Wrath and Glory” because He returns in wrath, and pours out the wrath of God upon those who have rejected the grace, mercy, and love of God, but then He begins to reign in glory.
Todd Hampson: Amen. That is a great way.
Dr. Reagan: I liked your chapter title.
Todd Hampson: Thank you, appreciate it.
Nathan Jones: And it is so incredible when Jesus returns, and we get to watch Him return and set up His Kingdom. And I assume then that is chapter 15, “A Literal 1,000-Year Utopia.” I assume you are not an Amillennialist.
Todd Hampson: No, not at all. I do believe that is literal. I believe that scripture is clear just from that one chapter in Revelation it says it I think five times, a thousand years.
Nathan Jones: Six times in Revelation 20, yeah.
Todd Hampson: Six times. But also, if it is not literal you gut half of the Old Testament, the book of Isaiah and so many others. I mean it makes no sense unless it is a literal future kingdom where Christ is reigning from Jerusalem.
Nathan Jones: What did you learn about that kingdom? What’s kind of the characteristics of it?
Todd Hampson: Oh, man, it’s almost like Eden restored. But there will be people there, people that survived the Tribulation and were saved will enter into it, and they’ll have kids. So, it will be a weird time, almost like “Lord of the Rings,” where you have a combination of different types of people; us in our glorified bodies, people in their physical bodies still with a sin nature. And that plays into the final rebellion at the end when Satan is loose for a season. But also, it’s going to be more like Eden in the sense that animals won’t be eating each other, it will be a perfect paradise for people to live in. So, there will be no excuse not to follow God.
Dr. Reagan: One time I was preaching on the Millennium and talking about what a great thing it was. I really got carried away. My wife was in the audience. And I said, “Well, I’ll tell you one reason I want the Lord to come back is because He is going to do away with the chiggers.” A lot of people viewing don’t even know what a chigger is, but down here they are little microscopic red dots that craw up your leg and chew on you and make you miserable. Well, afterwards we are driving home and my wife is very quiet, and I knew something was wrong. So, I said, “Is there something wrong?” She said, “I couldn’t believe what you did when you referred to those chiggers.” I said, “Well, hey.” She said, “You don’t know what you’re taking about.” I said, “What do you mean I don’t know what I’m talking about?” She said, “Honey, He’s not going to do away with the chiggers; He’s going to make you lie down with the chiggers.”
Todd Hampson: That’s funny. But they won’t bite you anymore.
Dr. Reagan: I said, “Well, I hope He defangs those little buggers first.”
Todd Hampson: Yeah, exactly. They won’t be the same as they are now.
Nathan Jones: Well, there is going to be a snake released into the Millennial Kingdom at the very end, can you tell us a little bit about how the Millennial Kingdom ends?
Todd Hampson: Yes, so at the very end, so the Beast and the False Prophet are going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire alive, but Satan is going to be bound for 1,000 years. And then he’s released at the end of that 1,000 year period to kind of rally the earth one more time. And I believe part of it is to show that even in a perfect paradise where Satan can’t be blamed for anything people still have a sin nature and will still rebel against God.
Dr. Reagan: I think you are absolutely right. In fact, I often observe the fact that history goes in a circle. It begins with two people in a perfect environment who rebel against God, and it ends up with the whole world in a perfect environment and you have a large number of people rebel.
Todd Hampson: Wow.
Dr. Reagan: Because after all living in the flesh under the rule of the rod of iron. They maybe are saying, “We love you Jesus.”
Todd Hampson: But He’s not putting up with anything.
Dr. Reagan: But they are saying it with their teeth clenched.
Todd Hampson: That’s right, yeah.
Nathan Jones: And He doesn’t waste anytime defeating Satan, as time before He gave Him seven years, this is just fast, fire out of the sky.
Todd Hampson: Yeah. Yup, He destroys them and then He throws him into the Lake of Fire, so that is his permanent habitation.
Nathan Jones: Oh, praise the Lord. And that takes us up then to the “Creation Renovation” chapter 16.
Todd Hampson: Yes, sir.
Dr. Reagan: What is that all about?
Todd Hampson: So, even though we have during the Millennial Kingdom things are semi-renovated we learn that through fire He is going to renovate everything. I don’t know exactly why that is, or how it plays out, but He’s completely burn out all sin I guess? All impurities?
Dr. Reagan: He is going to burn away all the pollution of Satan’s last revolt.
Todd Hampson: That’s right. Good call. And then He creates out of that a new heaven and a new earth, and you have the New Jerusalem. It is just stuff that our minds can’t even handle. I think its interesting that we have several chapters, you know 19 or so chapters describing 7 years of history, and then 3 chapters to describe the Millennial Kingdom and Eternity.
Nathan Jones: And then everything we know about the Eternal State is pretty much in Revelation 21 & 22.
Todd Hampson: Right. Exactly.
Dr. Reagan: And I have this fantasy that at the end of the Millennium He’s going to take all believers off and put us in the New Jerusalem, the most beautiful city the cosmos ever known. And I think from that vantage point we are going to see the greatest fireworks display in all of history as He super heats this earth.
Todd Hampson: That makes a lot of sense.
Dr. Reagan: And then when that new earth comes He is going to lower us down and Heaven is going to come to earth. Now, that’s what a lot of people don’t realize. We are not going to spend eternity in an ethereal world where we are disembodied spirits floating around on a cloud.
Todd Hampson: Who wants that?
Dr. Reagan: We will be in glorified bodies, in new bodies in a New Jerusalem on a new earth, and it says God is going to come to earth and live in our presence. So, Heaven is coming to earth.
Todd Hampson: Amen.
Nathan Jones: Preach it. And what’s this New Jerusalem going to be like?
Todd Hampson: It’s going to be amazing. I mean if He built the world in six days, and He’s been building the New Jerusalem for 2,000 years now.
Nathan Jones: John 14.
Todd Hampson: Yeah, and we’re going to have custom built rooms in that which kind of uses physics that we don’t even know about. I mean, I think it is going to be so mind blowing we can’t even wrap our heads around it. But the scripture gives us a little indication of the jewels used, and gold streets.
Nathan Jones: It actually has dimensions laid out, too, right?
Todd Hampson: Right, it has dimensions laid out that are 1,400 miles square.
Dr. Reagan: Yeah.
Todd Hampson: So, it is going to be a big place.
Dr. Reagan: We’ve got to ask you our number one question that we ask all of our experts on Bible prophecy: Do you believe we are living in the season of the Lord’s return? And if so, why?
Todd Hampson: I absolutely do, primarily because of the super sign of Israel being a nation again and everything that has happening with them. And then on the backend of that just the convergence of everything happening now, all the biblical signs. When I first started studying the biblical signs I was almost trying to disprove them, like am I crazy for believing this stuff? Is this stuff really pointing to the Lord’s soon return? And the more I studied it the more it all lines up with Scripture. Like the Gog Magog alliance right now, to me that is major. Like how could you look at what is going on in Syria, with Russia, Iran and Turkey?
Nathan Jones: Yeah, united like they’ve never been in history.
Todd Hampson: And even down to the details, like Russia being the protector, and all of them wanting to come steal spoils. And Israel just finding massive amounts of fuel and oil, and stuff like that.
Dr. Reagan: I would agree 100% with you. I think we can know the season of the Lord’s return because of the signs. And I would agree that most of all the signs, individual signs, I think the re-establishment of Israel in 1948 is the key because all of end time Bible prophecy focuses on Israel. But, I also believe the greatest sign of all was the other one you mentioned.
Todd Hampson: Convergence, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Convergence. For the first time in all of history, they’ve all come together.
Todd Hampson: Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: And I’m just expecting the Rapture any moment.
Todd Hampson: I’m ready for it. I don’t think there’s a problem we have that wouldn’t be solved by the Rapture.
Dr. Reagan: Isn’t that the truth? All my problems would be gone. Oh, boy. Well, how about looking into that camera and telling people how they can get in touch with you?
Todd Hampson: Absolutely. You can find out information about my ministry if you just go to toddhampson.com, and from there you can get all the information that you need.
Dr. Reagan: That’s great. That’s great. Well, Todd we really appreciate you being with us. This is the second time you’ve been on our program, and you’ve blessed our socks off, as we say in Texas both times.
Todd Hampson: Likewise.
Dr. Reagan: And you just feel free to come back anytime. Okay.
Todd Hampson: Thank you so much. It’s an honor.
Nathan Jones: You have a third book in the works?
Todd Hampson: Yes, got a third book in the works right now. Yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Well, I hope you are going to do one on Daniel before it’s all over.
Todd Hampson: I would love to, yeah.
Dr. Reagan: Well, folks that is our program for today and stay tuned and we will tell you how you can get a copy of Todd’s new book. I hope our program has been a blessing to you. And I hope the Lord willing that you will be back with us next week. Until then this is Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries saying, “Look up, be watchful for our redemption is drawing near.”
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