Tracking the Approaching Tribulation Storm

Part 1

Terry James: Thank you so much, Tim. It’s a blessing to be here.

Tim Moore: Well, we’re always glad to have you, and as I’ve said before, Terry, you are totally blind, but you have greater discernment than most men and women we know because the Holy Spirit has gifted you to recognize the Signs of the Times, and you have been faithful to share them with everyone through your writing and all of your teaching.

Terry James: And to God be all the glory for that.

Nathan Jones: Well, you put together 14-15 experts, right? You always discount yourself. But Terry, you’re the best of them. And Tim and I got to contribute to this book. The title is Tracking Towards Tribulation. What is the theme of this book? When you say we’re tracking toward tribulation, you’re talking about the daily tribulations that we all suffer through every day, or you’re talking about a big event with a capital T Tribulation?

Terry James: Well, you know, I know you guys live here in Texas and you know what it’s like to get the big thunder boomers coming out of Oklahoma, and so forth, and start worrying about them. And you start watching your television and you see that big radar screen up there and all that fancy stuff that the meteorologists say.

And I look at it kind of like that. We see a great storm approaching, and that’s the Tribulation storm. That’s the end of all things leading up to Christ’s Second Advent. And that’s going to be a time far beyond any thunderstorm or tornadic storm that it could be.

So I look at this book as a, you know, when I thought about that I thought of this big radar screen and we’re going to track this thing, we’re going to track all what’s happening that’s leading up to the Second Advent of Jesus Christ. And of course we know there’s going to be an intervention, thus we have the subtitle, And the Any-Moment Intervention by Jesus Christ.

Tim Moore: You know, Terry, that’s a great metaphor you just used, or analogy because you mentioned a meteorologist. Some people will actually resent when we tell them “Hey, God’s wrath is coming, the Tribulation is approaching.” “I don’t want to hear that. That’s just bad news.”

No one gets aggravated or angry at a meteorologist for warning them that a storm is coming because it’s meant to give people the opportunity to seek shelter, as they say, go to a safe place, go to your basement or a room in the interior if a storm really is bearing down on them. And so we’re basically saying a storm is bearing down on the world, and yet some just scoff and dismiss that warning altogether.

Terry James: And it all comes down to discernment. You know, Jesus, as we’ve mentioned before, Jesus got onto the Judaizers and said, you can see that the clouds are lowering and it’s going to rain, it’s going to storm tomorrow, but you can’t see the signs of the times of the Lord right before you. And Jesus was warning Israel about terrible times to come if they did not repent. And that was a discernment.

This is a discernment issue. This whole book, I think is as we look through, as Christian’s believers, look toward all these issues and events leading to Christ’s Second Advent, and thus the Rapture of the Church to become before that. Well, it’s so important that the Christian realize that this is not just pie in the sky. This is just not some, terrible misleading of people in the reading department. It is something that we should do.

Tim Moore: And it’s also something that we should discern. I appreciate you making that point. You know, oftentimes people will say, “Hey, come on now. The coming of the Lord’s going to be like a thief in the night. We can’t possibly know.”

But that phrase comes from 1 Thessalonians 5, and yet Paul says, “Those who are in darkness, in other words, the unbelieving world, they who will not escape the wrath of God. Yes, he will come like a thief for them,” but he goes on to say, “But you brethren are not in darkness that the day would overtake you like a thief.” So I truly believe the Lord expects His followers to have discernment offered and provided by the Holy Spirit, so that we recognize again the season.

Nathan Jones: And Bible prophecy has 100% track record. You’re talking about weather people.

Tim Moore: Yes.

Nathan Jones: That’s the only job on the planet you can be wrong most of the time and you’re never fired. But Bible prophecy has 100% track record of coming true.

Tim Moore: Well, major league baseball players with their batting average miss most of the time in terms of getting on base and yet with only a 300% batting average are considered great. The Lord has a 1000% batting average, if you will, when it comes to Bible prophecy.

Terry James: You know, I like to hear, I’ve heard old Dr. Jay, Jay, Vern McGee say, before, “Some of these prophets today, some so-called prophets, you know, back in the day, the thing was that if you, if it didn’t come true, you know, in some sense early in the early part of the prophecy or in the, and then later in another part of the prophecy, well they would stone you to death. He said there’d be big rock piles all over the landscape today.

Tim Moore: You know, Terry, when I was a child, I lived in Memphis, Tennessee, and a pastor who was fairly famous back in that day, and still today, I think Nathan’s own parents follow, was Adrian Rogers.

Nathan Jones: Adrian Rogers, yes.

Tim Moore: Bellevue Baptist. And Adrian preached a sermon that I took off on at a conference we had last year. And he said, “It’s getting gloriously dark.” And I know what he meant by that, but for our readers, do we celebrate the darkness? No. But how can we say it’s getting gloriously dark when we discern these very signs?

Terry James: Well, because we know the end of it. You know that light’s going to break through. It’s going to be Jesus Christ, to come make everything right on this world. And everything’s got to be dark before that. But we know the glorious end of it is Jesus Christ.

Tim Moore: And we also know that Jesus said, “When you see all these things,” this is in Matthew 24, “taking place, realize that he is near, right at the door.” So it gives us affirmation that indeed He is coming soon.

Terry James: Amen.

Nathan Jones: And He gives us signs that point to the time when He’s coming back. You could read them in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. He gives 10 particular signs. You cover quite a lot of these. I know in our previous episode of Christ in Prophecy, we covered demons and demonic deception, Israel’s role in the end times, the fact that evil is increasing in frequency intensity, the people are ignoring the watchman’s warnings.

But I want to circle real quick back. You brought up in this last episode about Sodom-like submergence. And I think this is really important when we talk about the Tribulation, because it’s the purpose of why God, Why did God flood the Earth? Well it was because mankind, all they ever thought about was doing evil all the time. Do you think, Terry, that we’re at that stage now where societies, people just all they want to do is evil?

Terry James: Yeah, I think that we’re getting there. You know, talking about preceding Jesus’ prophecy about this days of Lot in Luke 17:28-30, he talked in verse 26 about the days of Noah and the violence will fill the whole Earth. Well my goodness, we look all over the world. Absolute violence. There’s war raging everywhere. How many people have been killed in the Russia…

Nathan Jones: 1.5 million.

Terry James: Yeah. So just no telling how many there, and then in all of this radical Islamic slaughter, October 7th, 2023, and so forth, and the world rather than condemn the Jews, in that case have blamed them, anti-Semitism…

Tim Moore: No, rather than condemned, or the Muslims in that case. Yeah.

Terry James: Yeah. So, so yeah, violence is filling the whole Earth. We see this coming at us quickly.

Tim Moore: You know, Terry, you talked about the darkness that seems to be growing again, that phrase gloriously dark, but the darkness is rising. I often think about the time between the testaments. For a period of hundreds of years, the Old Testament had been closed out with Malachi, and people had not heard a word of the Lord. There had been miraculous events such as the oil that was able to sustain the lights as they…

Nathan Jones: Oh, Hanukkah, right?

Tim Moore: Hanukkah, yes, the Festival of Lights. Jesus Himself celebrated that as a child. But we know that darkness was in the land. And Matthew highlights that when he points back to a prophecy by Isaiah in Matthew 4 and says, “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, by the way of the sea, the Jordan, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles, the people who were sitting in darkness saw a great light.

And those who were sitting in the land of shadow of death, upon them a light dawn, we knew that light was Jesus Christ. And I think it’s very similar to where we are today. We seem to be in a land of darkness, the shadow of death, and yet the light is coming.

Terry James: And that’s our—You know, we are to reflect the effulgence of Jesus Christ as believers to the whole world. And they’re not going to see that unless we reflect that light as believers. And that’s why it’s so important we are salt and light to this dying and decaying world. And the darker things can get, well, the more we should shine in reflection of the Lord Jesus Christ and all He told us to do with regard to the great commission and other things.

Nathan Jones: Well, do you believe then that the Church has dropped the ball on this? The fact that there’s so many people apathetic today who want their best life now, who read 31% of the Bible’s prophecy and most people are just like, “Not interested, Jesus is coming back, that’s all that matters.” Where is this apathy coming from?

Terry James: Well, I think in Tracking Toward Tribulation, I think Donna Howell and Allie Anderson…

Nathan Jones: Oh, those are impactful chapters.

Terry James: Did a real good job. In seeing just where we stand apostasy wise, and the Church is falling down on its responsibility. And again, we cover most bases in this book as you know, as you pointed out. And this is a superb chapter on that, I think. So, yeah, the Church has fallen down. It fumbled the ball in a serious way. And, you have all these, this replacement theology is a very serious thing, replacing Israel. The Christianity replacing Israel and all this, it’s just satanical eyes and easy to delude people with that kind of thing.

Tim Moore: I got three things I want to touch on, Terry. The first is the convergence. We spoke about that even in our introduction. All these different categories of signs have been growing in intensity and in frequency, but they also seem to be converging. How do you see that playing out? Where do you see evidence of this convergence?

Terry James: Well, I think Nathan talked about it earlier. We were talking about geopolitics. We see a convergence of the evil going there. The Ephesians 6:12 cabal of both demonic and human minions, I believe Satan are using to do that. And you have religion, with the false religious things going on, the people claiming to be Jesus Christ and so forth that Jesus warned about.

Socioeconomically we have a convergence of all of these things as we talked about. The Luke 17:26-30 basically, socioeconomic, the social and cultural things just developing the way it was in Sodom, people getting worse and worse. Men and seducers, waxing worse and worse and this sort of thing.

And then economics, we see a development toward a one world economy. Right now, the dollar, every economy on Earth is linked to the almighty dollar, which they’re trying to destroy, so they can bring about their own global digital currency and so forth. So that’s another converging thing we see. And just everywhere we look on, on that prophetic horizon, and you guys can probably bring out more.

Tim Moore: Well, obviously we who have put our trust in Christ, see these signs, we see them converging, and it gives us great hope that our Blessed Hope is about to come and deliver us from the wrath to come. He’s going to take us to the place He’s prepared for us. But we cannot be reluctant to share the truth of what awaits those who are left behind.

So Terry, what will this Tribulation period be like? Not little t tribulation, “In this world, we all have trouble,” Jesus said that. But the capital T Tribulation that awaits those upon whom the wrath of God abides and we be poured out during the seven year period.

Terry James: Well, I get their emails constantly, Tim, about people telling me that we’re already in the Tribulation and so forth. You know, anti-pre-trib rapturists. And boy, all you have to do is really get into the book of Revelation just so you have 21 specific judgments of God’s wrath. And not only God’s wrath, but the antichrist regimes, a terrible wrath and judgment and hatred for the Jewish people and for the people who have become new believers during that era. Jesus Himself said, in Luke 21, 24:21, I think it was, said that it would be the worst time of all human history.

Tim Moore: Yes.

Terry James: The worst.

Tim Moore: If it were not…

Terry James: And that’s the Lord Jesus saying that.

Tim Moore: Yes.

Terry James: Neither be anything before it or after it…

Tim Moore: Yes.

Terry James: And if we consider just the Holocaust, my goodness, how terrible is it going to be?

Tim Moore: You know, I think there’s an important point to make though. The Lord warns about this coming period. Because in His warning there is an offer of mercy. In other words, He doesn’t want people to endure His wrath. He would rather them be saved. That’s what 2 Peter 3 talks about. And so He has been patient now so that more would be saved.

And even in the Tribulation, part of His motivation will not be just pouring out judgment and just pounding the Earth, as it deserves, but really causing people to come to the end of themselves.

We know that the Jewish people, even though two thirds will be killed by the antichrist, that remaining remnant, Paul says, will all be saved because they will come to the end of themselves. So Habakkuk prayed, “Lord in wrath, remember mercy.” He always does.

Terry James: He does.

Tim Moore: But even His willingness to tell us, and for us to share a word of warning to those upon whom the wrath of God abides is a testimony to His love and to His mercy.

Terry James: His patience.

Tim Moore: Exactly.

Terry James: Some people think He’s going to tarry. He’s tarrying right now. No, He is being patient, merciful, wanting no one to be condemned to either this Tribulation era or to eternity apart from God the Father.

Nathan Jones: And when you think of the restraining influence, and people sometimes confuse that the Holy Spirit will leave during the Tribulation, but clearly it’s the Holy Spirit’s influence through the Church. But we read about the people getting saved.

We have the two witnesses from Jerusalem in the first half of the Tribulation that will share the Gospel. 144,000 Jewish evangelists, a Gospel angel that travels all over the world. It’s amazing that the Lord says every tribe, tongue, nation, and people will get saved. And we call them Tribulation Saints to differentiate them from the Church.

Terry James: Right.

Nathan Jones: So it’s amazing that even though there’ll be so much death and destruction in the Tribulation, the Lord has to get us down on our knees sometimes when we’re stiff necked to get us to accept Him as Savior. Do you see a great vast number of people getting saved during the Tribulation?

Terry James: I certainly do. I think God’s going to save just millions upon millions of them, and most of them are going to be martyred. So you don’t want to wait ’til the Tribulation era to be saved.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, that’s true.

Terry James: And there’s no guarantee. Today is the day of salvation, acceptable day of salvation. So anybody out there who’s watching this, get on your knees now and realize that God wants to save you. He sent His only son to die for you and on the cross. So God sees a saved person under the blood of Christ. And so it’s time to, this is the only time that you might have.

Tim Moore: Well, you read my mind. I was going to ask you what might you say to someone who even would be watching today and would say, “Well, if there’s going to be a possibility of being saved during the Tribulation, I’ll just wait and see. If you guys disappear, then I’ll take seriously the threat you’re warning about, and if a bunch of Christians go, then I’ll believe. But what would you say to someone who is so cavalier about just playing it by…

Terry James: Well, as a matter of fact, Tim, and I have a computer guy that comes to my office to fix my computers when they go out quite often because I’m just a total dunce when it comes to computers. And he does not, you know, he’s a good guy and he talks, he’ll listen to me and everything. But he said, “Well, I’ll come in your house. If people disappear like you say, I will come into your house.” And I say, “Yeah, there’s all kinds of books there. I said, “You don’t want to wait until then.” But I have had that very experience, that very talk with people.

Tim Moore: Well, you know, the reality is for that individual, for others, perhaps for you watching today? You’re not promised to live through this night. And so Nathan may be called home. I may be called home today. Terry, if we go, we’re ready, I’m ready to go and be with the Lord.

Terry James: That’s right, my heart did stop three times on Good Friday 2011.

Tim Moore: That’s right!

Terry James: And I went to the periphery of heaven. I can tell you that. And so death can happen any moment.

Tim Moore: It can happen at any moment. And we have to be ready. And which is why we urge you not to wait, because if the Lord calls you to the end of your life today, are you ready to meet Him? And that’s the question.

Terry James: Absolutely. Well, what was the future then of those people who get saved during the Tribulation? You mentioned many will be martyred because Satan through the antichrist will want to destroy them, but a lot of people think the Tribulation’s it, Jesus returns and ta-da, history is over. Those who get saved during the Tribulation, what is their future after the Tribulation?

Terry James: Well, there’ll be a race to go into the Millennium well, they go into the Millennium as supernatural saints, as McGee would say. They will be…

Tim Moore: Do you think they go in their mortal bodies though, those who endure the Tribulation to then have many children?

Terry James: Well, the ones that go into the Millennium from the Tribulation era and have not been martyred. I’m talking about the ones…

Tim Moore: Oh, the martyrs…

Terry James: …that have died. They’ll go in their supernatural form.

Tim Moore: Yes, sir.

Terry James: Yeah. That’s who will, Jews and Gentiles, they’ll go in and they’ll repopulate there, and I believe a thousand years, that’s going to be a population explosion. With no disease and other things.

Nathan Jones: I’ve heard the calculation, 20 billion by the end of the thousand year Millennial Kingdom.

Terry James: At least.

Tim Moore: Wow.

Terry James: I can’t imagine the population growth.

Tim Moore: You know, one of the lies of Satan today, and he has been successful all around the world, is convincing people not to have children. There are many young people today, the generation Z, who say, “I don’t want children. They will stifle my enjoyment of this life.” And so the population is beginning to dwindle.

There are countries that don’t even have replacement numbers. South Korea, the United States, many other westernized nations that are not going to linger with the population numbers that they have, without immigration. A whole problem because Satan has convinced people to either not have children or to murder the babies that they do conceive. And this is another sign of the times.

You know, Terry, we talked about convergence. I see so many of these signs coming together again, even in the time Nathan and I have been at Lamb & Lion Ministries, the signs seem to be accelerating and intermingling, evermore. I liken it to dropping marbles in a funnel. And as they get closer to the bottom of that funnel, they go faster and faster and they begin to bump into one another. That seems to be what the signs are doing.

Terry James: Exactly right. You know, Jesus said all these things, when you see all these things begin to come to pass, well they’re coming in profusion, you know?

Tim Moore: Yes.

Terry James: Great profusion.

Nathan Jones: So how should somebody respond then, knowing that Jesus Christ is coming soon to rapture His Church and the Tribulation’s coming, what must we do to be saved?

Terry James: Okay, well, I think I like the way that Paul says. I use it in all of my articles, “For if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart man believes into righteousness.”

And that’s what God accepts, righteousness. “And with the mouth confession is made to salvation.” That’s Romans 10, 9-10. “And believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.” That’s the bottom line.

Tim Moore: That’s the bottom line. You know, I find it beautiful that even Abraham in the Old Testament was credited with righteousness and what did it require for him to be credited with righteousness? He believed God. And so really it’s the same formula. We believe God. He sent His only son, Jesus Christ, who said, “I am the way, the truth and the life.” If you believe God, He credits you, just as He has credited us with righteousness and we are saved. It’s a beautiful, beautiful point.

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Part 2

Tim Moore: Well, Terry, it’s always a delight to have you here. These collaborative books have been a blessing for us to be able to participate in and to see how other gifted teachers of Bible prophecy discern the times in which we are living. But obviously, you are one of the leading experts and your discernment exceeds anybody we know.

Terry James: Well like you, Tim, I want to give God all the glory. And I know you and Nathan feel that way and Christ in Prophecy feels that way. And just to Him be the glory, pray that these books will just touch the hearts of many.

Tim Moore: Well, speaking of books, what do you have in store next?

Terry James: Well, I, I haven’t got anything really in mind except just kind of, I guess as we say down south, piddling around a little bit with the idea of maybe Heaven’s Finish Line.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, Heaven’s Finish Line

Terry James: Well, we know that you are contributing to our magazine, the Lamplighter, when we’re going to talk about convergence as a major theme. And so we see that happening. We want to continue to warn those upon whom the wrath of God abides but also give great encouragement to those who already have put their trust in Jesus Christ.

Terry James: Amen, brother.

Nathan Jones: Well, that’s great. Well, Terry, in the last few seconds we have left, you are a watchman on the wall. How can other Christians be a watchman?

Terry James: Well, to study the Bible, that’s pray and study the Bible. Those are the way you become watchmen. The Holy Spirit takes over from there.

Tim Moore: The Holy Spirit takes over, but you have to have a willingness to share that information that He lays upon your heart.

Terry James: Yeah, well that’s what the Great Commission is about. Yeah.

Tim Moore: It certainly is. There is simply no way to convey all the information and the encouragement that is in this single book, in a single episode of Christ in Prophecy. That’s why we hope you’ll take advantage of the opportunity to get a copy for yourself. Well, Terry, thank you for your willingness to come with us and your faithfulness in sharing the discernment the Lord’s laid on your heart. We’re always glad to have you here.

Terry James: I appreciate the opportunity so much, Tim. It’s just a blessing.

Tim Moore: Well, thank you, sir.

Nathan Jones: Well, Terry, we also appreciate you making the trek from Arkansas to join us here brother, that’s a long trip. We pray if the Lord tarries, He’ll inspire you to pursue any other writing projects. And of course, Tim and I’d love to participate in them again.

Terry James: Well, thank you Nathan. You’ll be one of the very top on my list. I’ll tell you.

Nathan Jones: Aw, praise the Lord.

Closing

Tim Moore: If the Lord tarries, I like that, Nathan. Tongue in cheek. Well, you know, some people look at the condition of the world and scoff that anything is really amiss. Reflecting the sentiment Peter denounced, they mock the warning we have offered today and say, “Where is the promise of His coming, for ever since the fathers fell asleep all continues just as it was from the beginning of Creation.”

Nathan Jones: What is saddest of all, the scoffers Peter wrote about are the same ones as they’re still scoffing today. People who profess to follow Jesus Christ but ignore God’s prophetic Word and do not believe He’s coming again soon. But the signs of the times are converging and shouting that Jesus is coming soon and when He does, He’ll either come as your Blessed Hope or your holy terror.

Tim Moore: The stakes are simply too high to ignore the signs. And although the unbelieving world rejects the Gospel and considers followers of Christ to be troublers, holding back real human progress, the wrath of God will soon be poured out on all who have rejected Him or simply chosen not to decide.

Nathan Jones: We pray that you will not wait another day or another hour to cry out to Jesus, “Save me.” Confess your sinfulness to the Lord and believe in Him and you will be saved. Connect with the local body of believers to engage in mutual encouragement and all the more as we see the day drawing near.

Tim Moore: If the Lord tarries, we’ll be back again next week with another episode of Christ in Prophecy. Until then, in the name of him who promised three times in Revelation 22, “I am coming quickly,” we cry out amen, come Lord Jesus! Godspeed!

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