Tracking Toward Tribulation with Terry James

Interview

Tim Moore: Amen. Well, Terry, welcome to Christ in Prophecy. We’re so glad you are here today. And brother, I’ve got to tell you, we talk about having eyes to see. Some of our viewers may not even know that you are legally blind, but you have greater discernment than most people I know.

Terry James: Well, I’ll correct you just a little bit. I’m totally blind, and I appreciate so much you saying so, Tim, it’s always great to be with you people here.

Tim Moore: Well, truly Terry, it proves that the Lord gives spiritual insight. And so it’s not our physical vision that is important. It’s our ability to discern the very signs of the times, and you have great insight in that regard.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, Terry, you’re one of the leading discernment ministries out there connected with of course Rapture Ready, the oldest online Bible Prophecy Ministries. Well, as we dive into your book, Tracking Toward Tribulation, let’s just define exactly in the beginning, what is the Tribulation?

Terry James: Well, the Tribulation of course is Daniel’s 70th week, and it had been 69 weeks that Daniel was told about to reach to the point that Christ will come again. But there’s been a parenthesis between the 69th and 70th week. 70th week is simply the last seven years of great tribulation or tribulation leading up to Christ’s second advent. And the parenthesis, of course, is of course, this Church age that we’re in now.

Tim Moore: You know, a lot of people don’t understand when you say parenthesis. They think, “well, I thought prophecy would proceed sequentially and in fairly quick order.” But all we have to do is look at the announcement given by Gabriel to Mary regarding the prophecies of Jesus there in Luke 1, and we realize that some of those prophecies were fulfilled in a very short order at Jesus’ birth.

Some were fulfilled in His life, and some are still awaiting fulfillment. So sometimes, prophecies have a near term fulfillment, and then a longer term fulfillment, and that’s what we’re talking about with this 70th week.

Terry James: And there is indeed a parenthesis because Nathan, for example, in his great chapter, and I’ll steal his thunder a little bit, but he talks about how Gabriel told him to shut up the book because it wasn’t Daniel’s time to know yet. So there’s been a great parenthesis, so to speak, between Gabriel’s knowing what’s going on and what’s actually happening, and I believe right now, which is I believe the very wrap of this Church age.

Tim Moore: Amen.

Nathan Jones: I like what I think Jesus said it best in Matthew 24:22, “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved. But for the elect sake, those days will be shortened.” In other words, that seven year time period coming up to this Tribulation is like the flood was, God’s judgment coming upon the Earth.

And so do you believe since you write a whole book about it, obviously, do you believe the Tribulation is right around the corner, and are there any prophecies that come before that?

Terry James: I can’t think of any prophecies that come before it, but we see all sorts of stage setting for that coming time. The only prophecy that I believe that Paul talked about of course, was that great mystery he revealed that Jesus gave I believe back, and as recorded in John 14: 1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled, I’m going to prepare a place for you. I’ll come again and get you.” And then Paul talks about that great time of Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15.

And so I think that’s the only prophecy I can see that comes between now and the starting of Tribulation. We see so many things happening that are right on the verge of Tribulation in my view.

Tim Moore: Well, we talked earlier, I said that you had great discernment, Terry. You write about the exciting developments that are so perplexing to the world at large. So what are some of those developments that you see happening that are setting the stage, and that clearly you have been given understanding, we believe by the Holy Spirit Himself?

Terry James: Well, we know this. Satan himself believes the Bible. He knows God. He knows God cannot lie. He knows about the Rapture. He knows the Rapture is coming soon. He knows that he’s got to get everything in order for his man, the Antichrist to take power upon achieving his throne upon the Tribulation beginning. The Tribulation won’t begin until the Rapture occurs. He knows that, so he is in a hurry, I think setting the stage.

We see that geopolitically, we see all of the whole so-called, well I call them the Ephesians 6:12, cabal arranging. That means the globalists, both human minions and demonic minions setting the stage for that Tribulation is coming. And as soon as the Rapture occurs, of course, there will be the signing of the covenant and so forth, the making of peace because everybody will be so fearful. And so, I think that’s where we are right now. We see the stage setting.

Tim Moore: So perhaps the only prophetic event that has to take place before the Tribulation itself is the Rapture, and then obviously the revealing of the Antichrist. And so there may be other intervening episodes, whether wars or other things, but the Rapture will occur, the Antichrist will be revealed, and the Tribulation will begin.

Nathan Jones: And I love it how in your book you call the Rapture, the astonishingly spectacular truth that the Lord wants us to know that He’s going to Rapture or remove His church, those who are saved up to Heaven before this Tribulation comes. So we don’t want to scare our audience by getting in the Tribulation because it’s pretty horrific. But for those who are saved, we don’t have to worry about being under the wrath of God, right?

Terry James: That’s right, there’s two spectacularly important things to consider right now. The number one thing of course is salvation. Must know Jesus for salvation so that you will escape, number one, escape the Tribulation to come, but more importantly, escape all eternity apart from God. So, that’s the number one thing is a salvation issue.

Secondly is the Rapture I believe, how close we are and how it’s time to repent. I believe for Christians to know just how close we are. And that’s what this book is basically about. You know, the subtitle is, And the Any-Moment Intervention by Jesus Christ. That’s the Rapture, and that’s why I wanted that subtitle.

Tim Moore: You know, John the Baptist, I like to point out oftentimes said, and he said this to the Pharisees, so he was being rebuking of them, but I think the question echoes down to us today, “Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” That’s in Matthew 3:7. And so the question becomes, who warned us to flee from the wrath to come and into the loving arms of our Savior? And who are we warning?

And yet, as you indicated Terry, you say God basically gave the formula for knowing how close is His coming to receive unto Himself, those who believe. And we don’t want anybody to be left behind. So part of our message today is a warning to those who upon whom the wrath of God currently abides to flee from that wrath. But how do we recognize that formula?

Terry James: It’s just the stage setting we have been talking about. I mean, everywhere I look on the prophetic horizon I see things are pointing to that Tribulation era. And I mean, it’s been going on for some time now, quite some time. It’s really stepped up, particularly during these recent presidential administrations and all of this stuff that’s going on worldwide.

The globalists attempts to completely upset the apple cart, so to speak, of the whole world and take over. And what did Jesus say? He said, “When you see all these things begin, now, this is begin to come to pass, then you’re look up and lift up your head for your redemption is drawing near.” And certainly, we have seen these things begin to come to pass for a long time. Now, that means we must be very close to the Rapture.

Nathan Jones: And you tie that to that there is only one hope for mankind. Do you want to reveal to us what is that one hope for mankind?

Terry James: “The blessed hope,” Titus 2:13, Looking for blessed hope the Jesus Christ, the Lord Jesus Christ from Heaven, who is soon going to intervene into this wicked world. And I’ve got a whole lot of thoughts on that.

Tim Moore: I think that there’s an important point you made a moment ago, Terry, that it’s not just the natural realm that we can see some of us with our eyes, but you read about and understand, it’s also the spiritual realm where Satan and his minions, the demonic cords are scheming. They know their time is short, and so they are redoubling their efforts. They’re pulling out all the stops, as we would say to be about damning people, or at least deceiving them into damnation.

But we can see other signs. For example, 50 years ago, computers were already on the scene, but they were fairly rudimentary. And the thought that someone could control the buying and selling of every human being on the planet was farfetched even in the early days of computers.

But now, through AI technology, we have the capability through technology for one person to control the buying and selling on the Earth. And we know that there are some who would like to be that one person already, or at least in that one world government mentality. And yet the antichrist will seize on this very technology and we’re right on the cusp of that happening.

Terry James: Well, yeah, early in my generation, for example, my parents and your parents, Tim, probably too, you’re a little–a lot younger than I am, but they wondered, you know, “How in the world could the whole world that says in Tribulation going to be able to see the two witnesses come back to life?” And you know, this is an old thing we’ve talked about many times.

Well, since satellite technology, we can see instantaneously anywhere in the world through this technology, and no telling what it’ll be like by the time antichrist gets a hold of it and that technology. So, we just, no matter which way we look, the ability to do all digital transactions, electronic transfer and all this, it’s just developing such a quick pace, AI, the Artificial Intelligence is just developing so quickly.

Nathan Jones: Well, let’s dive into the book then into the particular chapters. You collected 15 you call experts. Tim and I are in there. Of course, you’ve written chapters, too.

Terry James: Well, 14 including me, which is the 15th. I’m so spectacular maybe.

Nathan Jones: Well, let’s look at chapter one, “End-of-days Deception and Demons”. Jan Markell, our friend from Olive Tree Ministries wrote that. She describes how there’s currently an invasion from the demonic realm. In what ways is this invasion so apparent in our day and age?

Terry James: Jan starts off by talking about the Olympics, and you guys remember the ’24 Olympics. They had a spectacular thing seemingly devoted to satanic worship. I can’t see, I couldn’t see it, but everybody tells me that you had a rider coming out supposedly mimicking the rider on the white horse, but he claimed to be of a more evil portent than that. And so we figured that was supposed to be the antichrist coming out. And she talks about how the portals have obviously been opened in this late date.

And I think particularly when it comes to the wickedness we see in regard to the way children are treated, and I have things to say about that now by the woke community and so forth. We see this demonic invasion, I believe like we’ve never seen before. And I think we haven’t seen anything yet if the Rapture is much farther down the road.

Tim Moore: You know, just this last few days as we’re taping this episode, anybody who has Fox News on their phone to follow the news, I found that over the weekend, there was several times as I scrolled down through the Fox News page, an advertisement to find out if you could be a Wiccan witch. And so you could take a little test and find out if you had the characteristics. And really they’re trying to hype some kind of a sale I’m sure, or an app.

But I’m not saying that Fox News was promoting that, but it was on that page. And you think this is typically a conservative audience, but it is so pervasive that even on the Fox newsfeed, you had people trying to advocate for becoming a Wiccan witch. And that just tells you that we are right on the cusp of all these demonic hoards breaking loose.

Terry James: And that’s what Jan’s chapter’s all about. And let me tell you, Jan, when she attacks something, she attacks it all out.

Nathan Jones: She’s ferocious for a tiny woman.

Terry James: Yeah, and she does a tremendous job on it. So people getting the book, probably be worth it just to get the book for that.

Tim Moore: Well, I’m going to skip to chapter four for just a moment because I want to get to something. Mike Gendron talks about the enduring evil times and the lack of discernment. We know that Mike has a tremendous ministry having been Catholic in his upbringing, that he warns people about the deception of the Catholic church. And even as we’re taping right now, we’re about to see a conclave where the Catholics or the Archbishops at least are going to select a new Pope. How do you see that playing into all these end times, Tracking Toward Tribulation?

Terry James: I wrote an article on that recently. I think it is very significant in my opinion. And regarding discernment, Mike is one of the very best at that. Jesus Himself chided the Judaizers for not being able to discern the time when the Messiah was standing in their very midst. Well, it’s the same thing now. There seems to be a lack of discernment within the church, which is very troubling.

And so, I think Jim Fletcher probably in the book, talks a little bit about that. But yeah, and I think that we’re just looking at something very serious here. At the same time, I wrote a little bit about that in this article. It’s funny, but at the same time that the Pope has just passed away, there’s coming on the scene, it came on the scene the very day, a guy made his announcement. I don’t know if you read this or not, but a Muslim here in the United States, a Muslim…

Tim Moore: Claiming to be the Mahdi.

Terry James: And not only that, but the successor to Jesus Christ and to Muhammad. So this is all interesting development.

Nathan Jones: That’s the first sign that Jesus gave in Luke 21 is false teachers.

Tim Moore: False messiahs.

Terry James: The very first sign.

Tim Moore: I think there’ve been deceived people all throughout history that claim to be either Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington, or Jesus Christ. This guy thinks he’s the Mahdi.

Nathan Jones: Yeah.

Tim Moore: Reminds me of our friend who said that he had two fellows at the insane asylum and one said, “I’m Abraham Lincoln.” His buddy said, “No, you’re not.” And he said, “Yes I am.” His buddy asked, “Who told you you’re Abraham Lincoln?” He said, “God told me I’m Abraham Lincoln.” And his buddy said, “No, I didn’t.”

Terry James: “No I didn’t.”

Tim Moore: You know, you can have two deceived people talking to one another.

Terry James: Exactly, yeah.

Tim Moore: Obviously, that was our friend Erwin Lutzer . But there’s so much deception, and yet with the Pope, I think some of us look back to Pope John Paul II as being a conservative pope, and yet it was John Paul who invited the Dalai Lama, and shamans, and all sorts of other pagan worshipers to come with him to worship all their different gods and claim some kind of ecumenicalism. And obviously, Pope Francis, as Nathan and I have said, he wasn’t even Catholic in terms of adhering to Catholic doctrine.

Terry James: There are many ways, many religions ways to God, that’s making a liar out of Jesus.

Tim Moore: Yes, sir.

Nathan Jones: Well, do you see the Pope playing a role in the Tribulation? And if this next pope is the Pope of the Tribulation I mean?

Terry James: I’ve thought about that. I don’t know, down through the years, I’ve gone back and forth on it. A lot of people think that Pope will be. My friend Tom Horn up there at the Defender, he wrote the book, Petrus Romanus, and he thought he would be the false prophet perhaps. I just don’t know. I haven’t come down on that. I’m wishy-washy.

Tim Moore: Well, I think that we will not be here to see who that false prophet is, but we know that this trajectory again, that the Catholic church is on, and let’s face it folks, even as Evangelical Christians, we recognize the Catholic church has tremendous sway over the world. World leaders listen when the Pope speaks, or at least they kowtow and go and as we say, genuflect, so he does have great influence. At times, the Catholic church has been a force for good when it comes to speaking for life and for marriage. But under this past Pope, those issues seem to take a backseat.

I’m going to come back to chapter five, but on this note, Terry, we’ve already said that you are a watchman, and of course, Pete Garcia talks about being a watchman in this end times to recognize the diluting devices. So what exactly is a watchman, and what is our calling as watchmen and women in this day and age?

Terry James: Well, Jesus Himself gave this a very strong thing, and I think it was Mark 13:37, “What I say to one, I say to all, watch!”, meaning all of God’s children, all believers. And being a watchman on the wall means just observing the times, being discerning. And not only watching, but telling others about it. It’s so important to tell because people won’t know if they’re not told. They can’t know unless they hear, and they can’t hear unless they have a preacher.

Tim Moore: They can’t hear unless they have a preacher. You know, I always harken back to Ezekiel when the Lord said, “You are called to speak truth whether they listen or not.” A matter of fact they won’t, but it’s kind of like chapter five by this fellow I happen to know that says, “Speaking Truth to Last Days.” So our own Dr. Nathan Jones talked about speaking truth and not just to power, but to all and in these last days. So Nathan, what was your thesis in that particular chapter?

Nathan Jones: Well again, thank you for letting me participate in this book, and Trajectory, and Discerners, and Deceivers and all the wonderful books you put together. Terry assigned me, “Speaking Truth to Last Days.” I covered the signs of the times as it relates to Daniel 12:4 where Daniel’s scratching his head. He doesn’t understand what Gabriel’s telling him.

And Gabriel says, “Daniel, you’ve just got to go your own way. This won’t be understood until the end times when three things happen. The great increase in knowledge, a great increase in travel, and a great increase in understanding Bible prophecy.” Do you think, Terry, that we are in that days of great knowledge and travel?

Terry James: Oh, I have no doubt about…I mean, why are we going through space what 17,000 miles an hour? Whatever it is.

Nathan Jones: We saw, what, Perry?

Terry James: Katy Perry.

Nathan Jones: Katy Perry, yes, thank you, we saw Katy Perry.

Tim Moore: I don’t think she made to out of space.

Nathan Jones: It’s pretty far up there, but not so far, yes.

Terry James: Yeah, but you’re travelling at 17-18,000 miles an hour, you’re moving out. So yeah, we’re traveling all over the world, we’re traveling at tremendous speeds. And of course, knowledge has increased. I don’t know what is the latest, you guys know it used to be doubling every year.

Tim Moore: Every 18 months.

Nathan Jones: Yeah, Moore’s Law.

Tim Moore: That’s Moore’s Law, yes.

Terry James: So yeah, and then, I mean, Gabriel’s book is finally open here, and I think we’re beginning to see a lot about it here. I think we’re getting great discernment from people who are truly watching.

Nathan Jones: And speaking of which, chapter seven is by a watchman named Terry James. He wrote “Sodom-like Submergence”. It says, “You say that we’re standing looking off into the horizon and we see the thunderheads are approaching an end time storm.” But what are some of these terrible events that are flooding our generation to what you call the sin darkened ravine towards apocalypse?

Terry James: You’ll have to reign me in here now because this is my soap box here, especially now. Jesus’ words in Luke 17: 20-26 tied the days of Lot. We have seen the days of Lot develop in this very country, the apex country of the world. We’ve seen it develop where there’s tremendous…Still, despite all the dire warnings of economic collapse and everything, it’s tremendous building, buying, selling, doing all the things of normal activity.

And yet beneath the surface, it’s the most wicked, it’s more wicked than Sodom, I believe it was, because it’s exported to the old world, the pornography and all of these other things. And the way, again, the way the children have been treated, taking a child away from his parents.

Tim Moore: And changing their gender or trying.

Terry James: Their gender without even notifying the parents. That’s what they want. And then, and Jesus said, it’s going to be a time just like that like He called Lot and his family out. It’s going to be a time just like that, just like it was in Sodom. I believe we’ve reached that time, and I’m talking about the Rapture, when all believers, the only righteous that God saw in Sodom was Lot, right? And He took him out, and that’s what He’s going to do to all believers because they are the only ones that God sees as righteous.

Tim Moore: You know, if Lord said it would be better for a millstone to be tied around the neck of an individual who led a child astray, what would he hold out to a society that is leading so many young people astray? I hesitate to even contemplate what the Lord will do. As Ruth Bell Graham said, “If he doesn’t judge America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

Nathan Jones: And to think about the abortion, too. Not only 63 million in the United States, but China, 300 million.

Terry James: And, you know, now I’m going to say something here that some probably won’t agree with, but I’ve heard about it since I was six years old, saved in Pekin, Illinois at six years old, and I’ve been taught this and I believe with all my heart, that every child I believe below the age of accountability is going to be called out of this world at the time of the Rapture.

And I believe that because of just the way Jesus spoke about children. He said that Heaven is like these children. And I wrote an article recently and I said one of my favorite songs is “Thank God for Kids” by the Oak Ridge Boys. And my favorite line in that is, “The nearest thing to Heaven is a child.”

Nathan Jones: Amen.

Terry James: And I believe that.

Tim Moore: “Let the children come to me.”

Nathan Jones: Amen. I don’t want to run out of time before we get to chapter 13 by this guy named Tim Moore.

Tim Moore: Oh yeah.

Nathan Jones: “Israel’s Darkening Skies.”

Terry James: Amen.

Nathan Jones: Do we see Israel as the super sign pointing to the Tribulation?

Tim Moore: You know, our theme for this year’s conference, Terry is “The Greatest Sign” which is Israel. Even as you were preparing this book and we were getting ready to contribute, I don’t think we realized just how prominent Israel would be in the news since October 7th. Even over the last days, there are still rockets being launched into Israel from the Houthis. What did Israel do to the Houthis? Nothing, they’re just satanically inspired with hatred.

And so, you wonder, how can the Jewish people not recognize that they have been preserved, protected by God Almighty? I think some of them are realizing just as we saw recently that it’s miraculous, that they are being preserved even from these missile attacks and yet there continues to be scales over their eyes.

I point back to the Lord cursing the fig tree as being the most uncharacteristic action, I think, in Scripture where he was put out that the fig tree was not bearing fruit. And Mark even says, “It wasn’t the season for figs,” but I think that was a parable of Israel because it was not bearing much fruit when he came, there would be a season of relative cursing, but the Lord still held out a promise that that fruit would be born when the tree began to blossom again, and we’ve seen that happen just in our lifetimes.

Terry James: Amen, and you talk about stage setting, Zachariah 12, that Israel will become a burdensome stone and a cup of trembling to the whole world. Well, any Christian who looks at that, reads that and sees what’s going on in the news today with regard to Israel. They’re just not paying attention.

Nathan Jones: I wish we could cover all the chapters, but I mean, you’ve got “Tracking Mideast Turmoil”, you’ve got “Most Important Appointment” by Wilfred Hanh. Mondo Gonzales wrote a final chapter. You have some amazing chapters. I just couldn’t put this book down. I read it on the whole flight to Georgia and back. And Terry, I just thank you so much for putting these types of books together.

Tim Moore: Well, we want our readers and our viewers, I should say, to be able to get a copy of this book. So if you would like to be blessed as we have been, us by participating, but then also by getting to read, we would love for you to call the number on the screen or go to our website and order a copy of Tracking Toward Tribulation. And really, we want to encourage you to get the book, not just for the knowledge it will provide, for the discernment that we are living in the season of the Lord’s return, but so that you, too, might offer a warning to anyone you know.

Or if you read the book and don’t yet know the Lord Jesus Christ, that you would be warned to flee from the wrath to come, as we said earlier, and into the loving arms of our Savior. Folks, the time is so short, and we need to be recognizing of the signs of the times so that like Terry, we can be watchmen and women warning those around us today. So call the number on the screen, go to the website, and for only $20, we’d be honored to send you a copy. Well Terry, you’ve been running the race well, and we pray that as the Lord tarries, we will run the race well, and He will find that we have been faithful. And when He comes, He will find faith on the Earth even if it’s just us three.

Terry James: Amen, brother.

Tim Moore: Amen. Godspeed, thank you for being here!

Terry James: Thank you.

Closing

Tim Moore: In this episode, we briefly covered just a sampling of the signs of the end times, the sign of world politics, the sign of technology, wars and rumors of wars, social upheavals, false teachers and teachings, the Church and apostasy, signs of Israel, signs of nature, spiritual signs both positive and negative, and a convergence of all the end time signs. We wholeheartedly agree with Terry that these signs God has given us in the Bible are meant to clearly reveal the imminent return of Jesus Christ. The King is coming!

Nathan Jones: Therefore, we cannot stress this enough. Now that you know that our Messiah and Savior is coming soon to set up His Kingdom, we have to ask you, “Are you ready?” You can only be ready by surrendering your life to Jesus Christ by asking Him to forgive you of your sins and be the Savior of your soul. We pray that you have done so. And if you have not, that you will pray right now. Do not delay!

Tim Moore: Until next time, look up and be watchful for the signs of the end times point to the fact that our Lord Jesus Christ is truly coming soon. Godspeed!

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