Messages to the Churches: Pergamum and Thyatira

Ephesus and Smyrna Pergamum and Thyatira Sardis and Philadelphia Laodicea

What are God’s messages to the churches of Pergamum and Thyatira? Find out with hosts Tim Moore and Nathan Jones on the television program, Christ in Prophecy!

Air Date: February 1, 2025

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Tim Moore: Welcome again to Christ in Prophecy, coming to you today from our headquarters at Maranatha Acres just north of Dallas, Texas! I opened with that description because we all tend to think of our place in this world by a particular geographic location, a place that we call home. Most of us are part of a church in the same city we live in and are invested in that body of Christ and in our local community in a meaningful way.

Nathan Jones: Well, last week we began a short series on Jesus’ letters to the churches in Revelation, specific messages He dictated to local bodies of Christ in actual cities in Asia Minor, or what we now call Turkey. Those letters followed a formula, which we will review again today, but the messages remain applicable to bodies of Christ throughout the Church Age. Most of us can find characteristics of these seven churches of Revelation within our own local body today, and all of us would be wise to heed the warnings that Jesus had John record for posterity.

Tim Moore: Last week we focused on Ephesus and Smyrna. Today we will close out Chapter 2 of Revelation by diving into messages to Pergamum and Thyatira. So how about it, Nathan? I don’t hear many people say, “I attend a Pergamum-like church.” So describe this church of Pergamum, or where did it actually exist in its geographic location?

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Nathan Jones: Well, like we said, Asia Minor, which you know we’re not talking about Asia, China, we’re talking about Turkey, and that’s what it was called in the first century. And if you look at the letters that the Lord gave John to dictate and sent to these seven churches, you could almost lay it out like a clock where Ephesus goes around, and then the letters would come back to Ephesus again as they’re copied. And that’s how we have the Bible today.

At one time these letters went through those. So it’s either called Pergamum or Pergamos. You hear both. But it’s a church that you can start picking up here in Chapter 2:12. And the Lord is addressing these seven lampstands, which are the seven churches, and the angel over these churches, which He calls a star. In verse 12, he says, “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has a sharp two-edged sword.'” So let’s just stop for a sec. The Lord always opens up each letter to a church with a revelation of Himself.

Tim Moore: Yes, He does.

Nathan Jones: Something the Old Testament prophets would’ve loved to learn more about God. And when the Lord says He has a sharp two-edged sword, we know that’s…

Tim Moore: We know that’s the Word of God.

Nathan Jones: The Word of God, yeah.

Tim Moore: So He is the Word. We are reading the Word. It is sharper than a two-edged sword. So a lot of double meanings there, but it’s a pointing back to His Word and Himself, even to using that reference.

Nathan Jones: And what’s interesting is that not only is He going to use that Word to encourage the church and give them warnings and all that, but we read in the Book of Revelation later in things to come when Jesus returns, that very same sharp two-edged sword will destroy the armies of the antichrist and melt them. So He brings great blessing and creation from His Word, but He can also bring great destruction from His Word. So if you were a church getting that, that would be a very fearful thing to hear, because the power of God is addressing you, you need to stop and listen.

Tim Moore: Stop and listen, as we’ve said before, hear what the Spirit says to the churches. But then that sword also represents great discernment, able to divide, and so that’s where we turn…

Nathan Jones: Soul and Spirit.

Tim Moore: In verse 13 where Jesus says, “I know where you dwell.” He is omniscient. He knows all things. So He certainly knows where Pergamum is. He says, “Where Satan’s throne is, and that you hold fast My name and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.” So, so far we’ve heard who He is, we’ve heard who He’s addressing, this church, the angel of the church at Pergamum, and then this commendation that He knows all, He knows where they are, that they were faithful even when His witness Antipas was killed.

But now He’s going to turn to a little bit of rebuke when He says, “But I have a few things against you because you have some who are holding to the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. And you even have someone who is among you who is holding to the teaching here again of the Nicolaitans.” So this condemnation, let’s back up, Nathan. Who exactly is Balaam and what was he teaching Balak?

Nathan Jones: Well, you’ve got to go back to the Old Testament. The Moabite king, Balak had called a false prophet to put a curse upon Israel. And no matter how hard he tried, the Lord would only make him bless Israel, and he blessed them prophetically as well. And so, you know, again, false teachers. So what he’s saying is, okay, you are tolerating a number of things that are immoral that the last two churches never would’ve done. Well, for one, too, we know that twice it says here that Pergamum was the home of Satan. Now, we’ve read throughout the Bible that Satan sets up shop in various cities. Here is, at least at that time period in the first century, the capital of Satan’s empire was in Pergamum. So we’ve got a church that’s behind enemy lines.

Tim Moore: Ah, there you go.

Nathan Jones: And so they are getting assailed, and so if you can’t beat a church with persecution like you did with Smyrna, then you do the opposite. You entice them to make them one of you. If you can’t beat them, try to make them join you.

Tim Moore: Join you, yes.

Nathan Jones: So he offers, hey, you know, false prophecies, sexual impurity, idolatry, whatever you want. He tries to bury them into that so their faith won’t be in God.

Tim Moore: And obviously back in the day, Balaam, y’all remember his donkey famously spoke at one point.

Nathan Jones: Oh, yes.

Tim Moore: Balaam’s donkey. But Balak had called on him to come and curse the Israelites because Balaam was a seer, a prophet. He was a false prophet but nevertheless had some kind of magical reputation. And so he came to curse the children of Israel, but because the Lord’s Spirit would not allow him, he could only bless them. And Balak got very aggravated, and finally Balaam said, “Listen, I won’t be able to curse them. The Lord’s Spirit will not allow me to do that because I can only bless them. But here’s how you can get to them.” You need to entice them, as you said, to send, to turn away from the Lord.

And sure enough, with all the temptations of sexual immorality, of idolatry, indeed over time, many Israelites did turn away from the Lord. And that’s really what is referenced once again with this manner of the teaching of the Nicolaitans. That hearkens back to Nicolaus of Antioch who had been a deacon in that church, but who said, “Well, if God has forgiven us, if we have nothing but grace and mercy, then we can sin freely because God will forgive all of our future sins as well.” And he took that as a license to sin, to go on sinning. And we know that it’s a false doctrine. It is a heresy. And Jesus has now called that out twice here in the opening verses of Revelation Chapter 2.

Nathan Jones: And so when you hear people say, “Well, I have a license to keep sinning,” I think of this one website that’s stuck with me over the years, whosoever.com. It’s managed by a lesbian woman who says that it doesn’t matter what her lifestyle is, it’s the Bible says whosoever means whosoever. Well, it doesn’t just mean that. You can’t take that one verse out of context. The Lord says here again and again that when we become Christians, we flee immorality. We no longer want to live against Christ. We want to live for Christ. And so that’s unfortunately what these people had fallen into. And I’ve got to say, the pressure on them must have been tremendous.

Now, we’ve been teaching you here that this church, each of the letters to the churches was a church in the first century. But we also know with hindsight now we can see eras of Church Age where this was a, the characteristic defined that era. So Tim and I would say that between 312 and 590 that the Church of Pergamum was the representation, an apostate church. And what historically happened to make the church become apostate?

Tim Moore: Well, obviously after Constantine gave himself over to Christianity, he being the emperor, he declared that Christianity would become the religion of the Roman Empire. And so many people became Christians, but only in name. And they really brought in their false ideology, their false idols and religious practices. And so over the course of a long period of time, much paganism seeped into the church.

This is where you can see the rise of Roman Catholicism and some of the doctrines to revere Mary, to claim that she was sinless, eventually elevating the idea of a purgatory, which is totally against what the Bible teaches, and many other practices that people will blend into their Christianity. You know, Nathan, even voodoo is a blending of some Christian backgrounds, and witchcraft or pagan faiths. We have to be careful not to let any of that seep into the true faith, once for all handed down to the saints, as Jude says.

And Jesus is warning about that. But this is a letter to Christians, at least self-described Christians, in a church, and He’s calling on them to repent. He says in verse 16, “Therefore repent, turn back.” You know, I think, Nathan, whenever we put our faith in Christ, Scripture says that we are to be renewed by the transforming of our minds. We are to become Christ-like. And yet so many people say, “Well, I’m still going to be this kind of person.”

Dr. Reagan used to use the example of a gangster in the ’30s who heard a famous Gospel preacher. And he said, “I’m going to be a Christian, but now I’m going to be a Christian gangster.” And the evangelist said, “No, no, that’s not how this works. You forsake your former self. You die to that sinful self and you are made new in Christ. So whether I was a liar, whether we all are falling short of the glory of God, adultery, anything else, sexual immorality, those things are passed, and we put on Christ likeness, and we repudiate that former self. We repent, we turn back from that.

Nathan Jones: It’s interesting, when the Romans made Christianity the state religion, they had all these Roman gods, right? They just kind of erased the names on the statues and then wrote in saint names. And so they adopted that Babylonian, the whole religion that we’ll even see in the End Times, it just passed through different eras. But I love what the Lord says in verse 17. He says, “He who has an ear,” in other words, if the Holy Spirit is attuned in you, then listen what the Spirit has to say, the Holy Spirit. “To him who overcomes,” and we said last week, an overcomer is a person who’s saved, “I’m going to give you,” here’s a kingdom promise, “some of the hidden manna to eat. I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written, which no one knows except him who receives it.” Tim, we’re going to get new names.

Tim Moore: I know, and as again, Dr. Reagan says, “I hope mine is not wishy-washy.” I hope it is a name that is reflective of my great passionate faith in Jesus Christ. And only God knows, but I want it to be a name like I gave my children that means something and has significance. I named my son Caleb because I wanted him to be a mighty man like the Caleb of the Old Testament who said, “Give me the high country. Even in my old age, I want to keep serving the Lord boldly.” So I hope that our name is reflective of that kind of faith.

Nathan Jones: I hope so. I named my daughter Madeline because it means tower of strength. My wife, she hates it when I say this, but I’ve got to, that when we were dating, she said, “Oh, Nathan’s kind of a nerd name.” I said, “Don’t worry, dear. Someday the Lord’s going to hand me this marble stone, and it’ll be like Braveheart or something.” I don’t know what it’ll be, but it won’t be Nathan anymore. And he also says hidden manna.

Tim Moore: Yes.

Nathan Jones: In other words, the revelation of God, to see His face, to know Him personally, something we can’t have right now, we can sort of through Jesus Christ, but we wait till that eternal state where the Father’s revealed to us. These are problems. In other words, if you are saved and you persevere to the end, you receive these kingdom promises.

Tim Moore: You certainly do. I think there is a fulfillment of the hidden manna that comes, but I think already those of us who know Christ, even if we live amidst a time of trouble, even if we’re surrounded by troubles, even if we’re persecuted, as was the church at Smyrna, we have a spiritual food, a spiritual nourishment that the rest of the world can’t see, it is hidden. That nourishment is none other than Jesus Christ delivered by the Holy Spirit.

Nathan Jones: Amen.

Tim Moore: But there’s a tremendous warning. Right there in verse 16, Jesus says, repent or what? “Or else I am coming to you quickly.” Well, we know He’s coming soon, very soon, but He said, “And I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth.” In other words, this dividing two-edged sword of His Word, His very breath, will discern between what is right and wrong. And we have to turn from that which is evil to Him who has called us to be overcomers, even as we have overcome through faith in Him. You know, Nathan, this is hard sometimes to digest, especially as much time as we have. So we have a great resource for you. Take just a minute and hear what Lamb & Lion would offer you today.

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Part 2

Nathan Jones: We’re going to jump now to the next church, the church of Thyatira. So open your Bibles, Chapter 2:18. “And the angel to the angel of the church of Thyatira write, These things say the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire.'” And this is a description of Jesus from Chapter 1. He says, “I know your works, your love, your service, your faith, and your patience.” And so here the Lord is again following that same where he reveals a bit of Himself, and then He, if they’re doing something good, He commends them for it.

Tim Moore: He certainly does. He says, I know your faith, all those different things, and that they are greater now of late than they were at the first. This is a positive stroke, if you will, to this church who has had good deeds, who has been faithful, who has persevered, but then it shifts in verse 20. He says, “But I have this against you, that you tolerate.” Now, I’ll stop there for just a moment. Obviously, He goes on to say,…

Nathan Jones: That’s an important word.

Tim Moore: “You’re tolerating the woman Jezebel, who is calling herself a prophetess and leading you astray.” But I think there’s great significance in just pausing to think that Jesus is calling out this church for their toleration. And Nathan, you know, in our day and age, our culture says that one of the greatest attributes is that we should be tolerant. Well, I’m tolerant of a lot of things, but quite frankly, sometimes as Christians we’re asked to tolerate the intolerable.

Nathan Jones: We’re not supposed to tolerate evil.

Tim Moore: No.

Nathan Jones: But our society says, and we saw that with the church of Pergamum. They lived in a society of great evil that was trying to suck them in. Well, now that the church had been sucked into paganism, then we get to the next, or apostate, we now see the next church, Thyatira. Between 590 and 1570, it’s the pagan church, which we like to think of as the medieval church. It’s where Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy reigned. And the Catholic church during that time was known to create hospitals and take care of lepers and the poor. They had great works, and they were known for their great love.

But at the same time, they had adopted all that Roman paganism, that, what we read in Revelation later, that Babylonian religion. And that’s what Jezebel is referenced to here. We know Jezebel in the Old Testament was the embodiment of evil because she led the Israelites astray to worship the Baals. The Jezebel of this is again that mystery Babylon religion that it infected and became the Roman Catholic Church. Not to demean Catholics who were saved, but the institution became paganized.

Tim Moore: The doctrines oftentimes would lead people into falseness that is not Scriptural.

Nathan Jones: Absolutely.

Tim Moore: And obviously when it comes to this lady that the Lord calls Jezebel, we think of the original Jezebel, who is the wife of King Ahab, again, led the people to Baal worship. And you can remember the contest with Elijah and the prophets of Baal at Mount Carmel. Even after he’d won that victory and had had the mighty demonstration of God’s power, who did Elijah fear? He feared Jezebel.

Nathan Jones: Not Ahab.

Tim Moore: Not Ahab, and he went running from this queen, and the Lord said actually of that Jezebel, “She will die and the dogs will lick her blood.” I mean, it’s a very graphic portrayal of her death. She kind of got her just rewards. In this particular case, this Jezebel, God calls her out and says specifically, “I gave her time to repent, and she did not want to repent of her immoralities. And therefore behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation unless they repent of her deeds.”

Nathan, I find this to be an encouraging verse because even this person who has led others astray, even those who have followed after her heretical teachings, God has called to repent. He has even given consequences, a bit of sickness, tribulation. That’s not the great T tribulation that’s coming we’ll study later in Revelation, but great trouble as a consequence of their disobedience. But even the purpose of the sickness and the trouble is to lead them back to faith, back to repentance. God always extends mercy, even as He pours out wrath. And that’s what Habakkuk prayed for so many years prior.

Nathan Jones: Well, one of the pictures that stuck with me last Thanksgiving, I saw a picture of Alice Cooper at a soup kitchen ladling out soup. And most of the people didn’t even know who he was. I mean, you know, he was a satanist back in his day. And he got saved and he accepted the Lord as Savior. And it shows that we could never get too far. Now, only in the Bible, we’ll read much later in Revelation 13, “Those who take the mark of the beast, there’s no salvation for them.” But you could have been, and I’ve got to say it, Stalin or Mao or Hitler, if they had confessed Jesus and got saved before they died, they would receive, they’d become an overcomer and received these things, too. So I wanted to say that folks to encourage you, that no matter how far you are, and you think you’re just so sinful that God can have nothing to do with you, He doesn’t ask for us to clean our lives up.

Tim Moore: No.

Nathan Jones: He does the cleaning for us. You just have to call out to Him and repent.

Tim Moore: And really this is so easy. We go back to 1 John 5. We’re going to address overcomers in a moment. But what is required to be one of these defined overcomers? Believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Now, on and on throughout these letters to the churches, Jesus calls those who have said that they believe He is the Son of God to turn from their evil ways, to repent. In other words, to turn back to that straight and narrow path. Don’t stray to the left, don’t stray to the right. Stay on the straight and narrow path. But really that’s all it requires. Believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. And then as you are transformed by the renewing of your mind, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, stay faithful to Him. He will give you that ability.

Nathan Jones: Absolutely. So even though it’s a pagan church, again, we read how that the Lord’s not going to put a burden on those. There’s still a faithful remnant inside it. He says, “Hold fast to what you come.” In other words, don’t give up. Don’t relent. We have so many people today who’ve given up on Jesus Christ. I hear those who like read “The Late Great Planet Earth.” You know, Hal Lindsey passed away last year. And they’re like, “You know, that was big in the ’70s and ’80s, but the Lord said soon, and it’s now 2025, and He hasn’t come yet.” And so they’ve given up. But the Lord says, “No, don’t give up. Hold fast.”

Tim Moore: Hold fast.

Nathan Jones: I will return. Hold to that promise.

Tim Moore: That’s my favorite scene out of Braveheart when William Wallace has to tell his army that’s getting very weak-kneed and nervous, “Hold.”

Nathan Jones: Hold fast.

Tim Moore: “We will win the battle unless you flee from the battlefield. You have to hold.” Nathan, I’m reminded even as you were talking of what Peter said in 2 Peter 3 when he said, “There will come in the end days mockers.” And he specifically is talking about people within the church who mock. “Oh, come on, where is the promise of his, Jesus, coming?” Because everything goes on like it always has. And Peter says don’t fall into that trap. You need to stay alert. You need to be looking for the Lord. We need to be encouraging others to stay faithful and not grow weary in doing good works and deeds, but in staying true to our true God.

Nathan Jones: And this is where the Lord says, okay, you’re holding fast. Excuse me, you’re an overcomer. In other words, you’re saved. And keep doing the good works He’s given us to do. We know that’s the Great Commission, Acts 1:8.

Tim Moore: Yes.

Nathan Jones: Revelation 2:26-28 says, “To him I will give power over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron. They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessel,” which is a prophecy about how Jesus will rule the Millennial Kingdom. So we know this is a kingdom promise. “As I also have received from my father, I will give him the morning star.” And what do we know the morning star to be?

Tim Moore: We know the morning star is a reference to Jesus Himself. Right now I can pray to Jesus, I can worship Him in spirit and in truth, but I can’t wrap my arms around Him. I can’t fellowship with Him directly. I look almost through a glass dimly. But then I will know Him face to face and I will know, even as I am known, the Scripture says, that’s what I’m looking forward to, being in the presence forever of Jesus Christ.

You know, Nathan, I get so excited about all these promises to overcomers, but again, our message to the church and to individual Christians is to stay the course, be faithful, and if necessary, repent. That’s a hard word for somebody who says, “Oh, I repented 40 years ago. What do I need to repent for again?”

Nathan Jones: Yeah, sounds like a certain presidential candidate had made that at one time. But it’s true, and so, you know, as we’re teaching here that these are obviously first century churches, but they also represent ages, they also will be very applicable to our churches today or the individuals. So we know that churches that live in the West, it’s very pagan.

It’s interesting how when we’re faithful and the Lord blesses us, we get haughty, and then we turn on the Lord, and then go into open rebellion against Him. And we know, we’ve talked many times how that’s where our society’s at. We’re in open rebellion now. But the Lord says that if you hold fast through that, the individual Christian, you go against the tide that’s telling you to fall into paganism and you stay in faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you inherit kingdom promises that last forever.

Tim Moore: Kingdom promises that last forever. You know, right now in our culture, there are many, you mentioned those who are straying in sexual immorality, but there are whole denominations who are celebrating their embrace of the cultural mores of the day, the morals, and they are rejecting biblical morals, whether that’s homosexuality, whether it’s same-sex marriage, whether it’s gender confusion, all the things that are an abomination to God, they are embracing and celebrating. And then they wonder why their numbers are going down.

I’m reminded of what Jude said. He’s got a single chapter in his letter. But in verse 3, he said, “Beloved, while I was making every effort to write to you about our common salvation,” boy there’s good news, “I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”

There it is again, this call to stay faithful to the faith handed down originally from the apostles to the early church, and all down through the centuries to us today, because again and again, people creep in like Nicolaus, like the Nicolaitans, like Jezebel, who try to steer us astray. And that’s why we have to test every word against Scripture and stay resolved to keep our eyes on Jesus Christ.

Nathan Jones: You know, it’s interesting that each of these letter’s kind of reveal how Satan’s strategy for trying to pull us away from God. We saw with Ephesus, you know, legalism and rules and regulations can make us grow cold. We saw then again the persecuted church, you know, where he tries to destroy us and make us fearful so we recant and give up what we believe. We saw apostasy, hey, you know, you can live whatever you want, free grace, and without any responsibility. And now how paganism tries to draw us away from. Again and again, Satan tries all these different strategies. He’s successful with some, but again, the Lord, and this is a message from God Himself, stay strong.

Tim Moore: Stay strong.

Nathan Jones: Yeah.

Tim Moore: And this is a message from God Himself not to unbelievers, frankly. This portion of Revelation is not for those…

Nathan Jones: Yeah, that’s a good point.

Tim Moore: …who are lost. I think there was application, we’re blending in Gospel appeal throughout our presentations. But this is a message to the churches.

Nathan Jones: Church.

Tim Moore: And therefore it is a message to Christians. Yes, Christians in first century Asia Minor, specific seven churches there in what we now call Turkey, but by extension to churches throughout the Church Age, to churches that are in existence still today who may reflect some of these attributes, and to Christians to gain insight. And every one of these letters ends with a phrase, something like this. “He who has an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says.” Nathan, that is our plea, that anyone who hears these programs, who hears our words, would heed what the Lord has called, and that is to turn back, if you’re practicing evil, if you’re tolerating evil, but hear what the Spirit says.

Nathan Jones: Right, or face the two-edged sword, the sword of the Lord, the Spirit of the Lord. Like with Jezebel, you know? An enemy of the church gets destroyed. And as we get later into Revelation, which we’re not doing in this series, but folks, you could read ahead, is that when you stand against God, you’re not standing for very long.

Tim Moore: No, you’re certainly not. Well, we hope that this series has been a blessing to you. We hope you’ll join us each and every week. And frankly, we hope that you will partner with us. If Lamb & Lion Ministries has been a blessing to you through Christ in Prophecy Television or through Christ in Prophecy Radio, through our website, our tremendous ministry that Nathan leads up on the web as our internet evangelist, through our magazine or all the other publications and outreaches that we perform, we hope that you’ll share it with someone else, we hope maybe you’ll reach out to us, contact us, partner with us to make sure that the proclamation of Jesus’ soon return continues to reach into all the world. Nathan, what a day we live in when these messages to the churches are still relevant, when the Spirit is still speaking through His Word, and He’s given us the privilege to echo this message even today.

Nathan Jones: Amen and amen. You know, listen to what the Holy Spirit says. Again, I can’t emphasize enough, stand firm in the faith and you’ll be an overcomer and receive eternal life.

Tim Moore: Amen.

Closing

Tim Moore: So there you have it, a brief but deep dive in the churches of Pergamum and Thyatira.

Nathan Jones: We’ve got two weeks and three churches left to go in our study of the churches of Revelation.

Tim Moore: Next week we’ll dive into Sardis and Philadelphia as we draw closer to the final church, Laodicea. We sincerely hope you will claim the blessing Jesus promised to those who read and heed the prophecies contained in Revelation. Our prayer is that all of us have an ear to hear what the Spirit is still saying to the church. Godspeed!

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